Fire Doors and Accessories

hi. I am wanting to find out what the legal requirement's for a commercial retail company are to hold a fire door register? Is this a specific document? I do lots of work for a major brand retailer and trying to help them start a fire door register many thanks

The test sheet from WarringtonFire for a door indicates use of a certifire approved latch, max case dimensions 19x15x64mm with a forend 57x26 and keep 57 x 24 and there is no tolerance specified. I've been completely unable to find anything that complies with this - typically it's the case that's either too high or wide. I've been in contact with WF but they can't help. I've looked at at least 10 different manufacturers now that provide specs online but unable to find one to these specs that is Certifire approved. Closest I've found is 21x15.5x64.5 How critical are these measurements?

In the absence of fire-door specific guidance, I fitted the top hinge 160mm below the top of an FD30 rated door. The manufacturer has now sent the guidance which indicates the centre of the top hinge should be within 100m of the top of the door! The door is semi-solid core type, while the frame is mdf. On another similar door I read that the old cutouts can be patched with hardwood and appropriate glue providing the dimensions are not greater than 110x36x3.5. One slight issue here is the hinge cutouts go through the intumescent channel and take 2mm out beyond - to repair that I'd likely have to cut out a few more mm to give the patched in timber sufficient…

I'm working for a client that has a 1930mm frame which needs to accommodate a 1981mm door for the purposes of an HMO conversion. The frame and lining are constructed from a solid material, that is compliant. What's the best thing to do here? The client does not like the options of "made to measure doors" and prefers the options available at 1981mm. Is the recommended method: 1) Cut solid core door to size and add a 12mm hardwood lipping to the bottom edge (so that at least 6mm of lipping thickness remains after the intumescent rebate is added), fixed with urea glue. Does the veneer facing have to be maintained here? 2) Cut solid core door to size …

I am working for a client transitioning a home to a non-licensable HMO. They want to move back in after a few years. They have a good quality, solid 1935mm high opening/frame/lining. All of the doors I'm looking at are 1981mm with too little lipping to bring the door to height. The client hates all of the doors available from made-to-measure suppliers. I understand that it's possible to re-size FD30 doors using hardwood lipping glued in (and not from the top). What's the best method for this to remain HMO-compliant. Please note that this is a non-licenseable HMO. 1) Cut door to size and glue in hardwood lipping of 6mm + 5mm (for intumescent rebate) thicknes…

Hi, I’ve been asked to install a FD30 fire blank in a HMO with the door being 680mm wide. Is there a minimum the door should be? I’m reluctant to carry out the works until I have all the information provided to me including drawings.

the fire door leaf has intumesent smoke seals and the frame has intumescent fire seals, is this acceptable?

Good afternoon all, I would like to improve my knowledge as a risk assessor in regards to fire doors and their make up, compliance etc.. So, can someone please inform me what is the more comprehensive course and pathway for fire door inspectors, is it with FDIS or BRE. Are they both recognised equally, in the industry, or is there a 3rd option I haven't seen. Many thanks. Steve M

Can a FD30 fire door blank be installed in an old softwood frame if the frames are 30mm thick and over 70 wide. I’ve been asked to install a door and the manufacturer of the door states the frame has to be at least these dimensions. Would it matter if the frame is old?

Hi, Are fire door keep shut signs required on hotel room doors. We have had a survey done & the report has stated that signage is required. Thanks

Hi Guys, I had a level 2 survey done this week. I am still waiting on the full report however after speaking to my surveyor yesterday just to make sure the visit went ahead as planned he advised me that there are no major issues, mostly maintenance/cosmetic. One of the main things of note was that the current owners fitted an internal door from the hallway to the garage however this isn't fire rated. I'm sure my surveyor will clear this up when I receive the report but just to get a head start on things I wondered if this was a legal requirement? We won't be parking a car in the garage but we would have a fridge freezer and possibly a tumble dryer in there so if…

Hi There, Does any one know if the cold smoke seal/strip is necessary as they are causing the doors to be very difficult to open - we have a lot of people with access needs visiting our building and I think that them not being to open the fire doors is more of a risk than letting smoke through in to another room. Thanks Matt

Hi there, Can any one tell me if the cold smoke seal part of the intumescent fire door strip is necessary. We have a few doors in our work place that are a struggle to open because of the cold smoke seal strip is catching. We have a lot of people with access needs visiting the building who really struggle with opening them - meaning the fire doors are more of a hazard. I have tried replacing the seals with the brush type but still the gap between the door and frame is too small and still causes same problem - am i going to have to route out the door frames? I can seem to find any fire regulations stating whether or not they are necessary

Can hardwood lipping be added to both the top and bottom of a door leaf? A corridor door has a gap of 35mm at the bottom and 15mm at the top. Would a new door be required or can lipping be added to close the gap?. There is no information on these doors and believe they are about 40 years old. Also the gaps on hinge /closing side are less than 2mm. Can the edges be planned slightly?

Am I right in thinking that a uncertified fire door with glazing that is also not certified can not be classed as a nominal door due to the fact that there is no evidence that the door can accept the glazing?

Hi after some advice. I work in housing and I have a 3 storey block of flats 1970’s built. A resident has taken the internal doors off the hallway to all rooms. The resident is adamant they were not fire doors. I am sure if built in the 70’s the doors to the hallway would have been. So if the case they can not be non worsening under building regs and would need to be replaced like for like. My other point is that even if they weren’t fire doors they should be replaced to the current standard ADB table C1 says FD20. I may note as-well the resident is on the second floor. I know if on ground and first if and floor <4.5m the internal hallways do …

Evening all, looking for a bit of advice regarding sealing up linear gaps. We have a building at the moment that was built in 2014 and we discovered last week that the linear gaps have not been sealed, most have 30-40mm gaps behind the architrave. Whilst the original architects try to find the original specs for the building I'm trying to find out if any regs documented any guidance on linear gaps. I know we have 8214:2016, and have found that one of the main updates in this was to include guidance on linear gaps. What I'm trying to figure out is what was recommended before this? If anyone could help it would be much appreciated.

Hi I am after some advice on fire doors. I am on the resident’s management committee for where I live. We have 4 blocks of flats 2 storey. 2 flats each floor. we have had a fire risk assessment done on all 4 blocks. The Assesor has said that we have to upgrade the fire doors to the external store which houses the gas and electricity units to 60 minutes. He has said that due to it being a single stair case and the external store being located outside the final exit, it is high risk. The previous fire risk assessment did not stipulate this. He only commented that one of the blocks needed to replace the door with a new 30 minutes door as the door was damaged d…

Hi all, I have a customer that has a grade 2 listed building being rented out to a charity. They are planning on selling the building but for obvious reasons are struggling. I recently completed a fire door survey which highlighted around 95% of the doors failing due to a mix of original panel doors and the fact it was left derelict for afew years. They are hesitant to complete any remedial works (which are rather substantial in cost due to the amount) and have been asking for other options. Is there an amount of time remedials need to be completed by or a percentage of remedials that needs to be completed? Any advice positive or negative would be gre…

Hi, I have UK Intelligent Grade 7 Hinges BS: 1935:2002. (X3) On purpose built apartment front door. Recent Inspector claimed Grade 7 not sufficient, not fire rated. Hinges need upgrading. They stated if the existing were ‘grade 8, 9 or 10’ they would be fine. Grade 8 under above BS is a window hinge…. Grade 9 a window/door both much less vigorously tested and This is for fire door so above does not compute stating window hinges would be appropriate for said door. (I’m wondering if he may have been referencing grade 8 of the predecessing BS: 7352:1990, but he would/could not clarify and I can’t find free access to BS: 7352:1990 but he was looking at a hinge wit…

Good Morning I have recently been approached by an agency for fire door inspection contract and the client is requiring either the FDIS or BRE Level 3 qualification to be considered for the role. Could someone please confirm without bias, which if these is the most desirable, as Ideally I don't want to waste time and money on a qualification that is going to deemed unsuitable by various employers in the future! Ideally I would like to think these qualifications would be be considered 'equal' and completed at the highest level, but it has crossed my mind I need a second opinion! Thank you in advance

Are there any products that can reduce the gap between the door and the frame. The frame has intumescent strips in the rebate so I think something would have to be added to the door?

Hello, we have a 3 story residential detached home. The build was completed in late 2006 and there’s buildings control sign off from the local authority in late 2007. The doors to the habitation areas are heavy and 44mm thick as opposed to non hab doors which are thinner. I have been advised the doors are not compliant because the inside trim of the door frames isn’t thick enough. Appreciate that the frame is part of the “fire door” but is this likely to be correct. I was advised I would need to get a carpenter out to rip out the interior trim on the habitation doors and replace with thicker trim which would lengthen the time for a fire to spread. Also…

I have not been able to find a plastic finger guard supplier that is able to provide satisfactory fire certification to confirm that they have been tested for use with fire rated timber doors. Does anyone know of a supplier that can provide fire certification?

We have done a loft conversion (uk). The downstairs is currently open plan with a very small hall and staircase between the kitchen on one side, sitting room on the other side. Is there ANY alternative to fire doors? They are completely impractical as we go through them ALL the time and they will be wedged open, thereby rendering them useless. I am tempted to get the sign off from building control and take them out. As far as I can see there aren’t any fire regs for private houses. All the other doors are fire door and there is a clear exit onto flat roof from top floor. Advice please, are there alternatives to fire doors? Am I actually breaking law to take out fire door…