Fire Doors and Accessories

Hi Guys, I had a level 2 survey done this week. I am still waiting on the full report however after speaking to my surveyor yesterday just to make sure the visit went ahead as planned he advised me that there are no major issues, mostly maintenance/cosmetic. One of the main things of note was that the current owners fitted an internal door from the hallway to the garage however this isn't fire rated. I'm sure my surveyor will clear this up when I receive the report but just to get a head start on things I wondered if this was a legal requirement? We won't be parking a car in the garage but we would have a fridge freezer and possibly a tumble dryer in there so if…

Hi There, Does any one know if the cold smoke seal/strip is necessary as they are causing the doors to be very difficult to open - we have a lot of people with access needs visiting our building and I think that them not being to open the fire doors is more of a risk than letting smoke through in to another room. Thanks Matt

Hi there, Can any one tell me if the cold smoke seal part of the intumescent fire door strip is necessary. We have a few doors in our work place that are a struggle to open because of the cold smoke seal strip is catching. We have a lot of people with access needs visiting the building who really struggle with opening them - meaning the fire doors are more of a hazard. I have tried replacing the seals with the brush type but still the gap between the door and frame is too small and still causes same problem - am i going to have to route out the door frames? I can seem to find any fire regulations stating whether or not they are necessary

Can hardwood lipping be added to both the top and bottom of a door leaf? A corridor door has a gap of 35mm at the bottom and 15mm at the top. Would a new door be required or can lipping be added to close the gap?. There is no information on these doors and believe they are about 40 years old. Also the gaps on hinge /closing side are less than 2mm. Can the edges be planned slightly?

Am I right in thinking that a uncertified fire door with glazing that is also not certified can not be classed as a nominal door due to the fact that there is no evidence that the door can accept the glazing?

Hi after some advice. I work in housing and I have a 3 storey block of flats 1970’s built. A resident has taken the internal doors off the hallway to all rooms. The resident is adamant they were not fire doors. I am sure if built in the 70’s the doors to the hallway would have been. So if the case they can not be non worsening under building regs and would need to be replaced like for like. My other point is that even if they weren’t fire doors they should be replaced to the current standard ADB table C1 says FD20. I may note as-well the resident is on the second floor. I know if on ground and first if and floor <4.5m the internal hallways do …

Evening all, looking for a bit of advice regarding sealing up linear gaps. We have a building at the moment that was built in 2014 and we discovered last week that the linear gaps have not been sealed, most have 30-40mm gaps behind the architrave. Whilst the original architects try to find the original specs for the building I'm trying to find out if any regs documented any guidance on linear gaps. I know we have 8214:2016, and have found that one of the main updates in this was to include guidance on linear gaps. What I'm trying to figure out is what was recommended before this? If anyone could help it would be much appreciated.

Hi I am after some advice on fire doors. I am on the resident’s management committee for where I live. We have 4 blocks of flats 2 storey. 2 flats each floor. we have had a fire risk assessment done on all 4 blocks. The Assesor has said that we have to upgrade the fire doors to the external store which houses the gas and electricity units to 60 minutes. He has said that due to it being a single stair case and the external store being located outside the final exit, it is high risk. The previous fire risk assessment did not stipulate this. He only commented that one of the blocks needed to replace the door with a new 30 minutes door as the door was damaged d…

Hi all, I have a customer that has a grade 2 listed building being rented out to a charity. They are planning on selling the building but for obvious reasons are struggling. I recently completed a fire door survey which highlighted around 95% of the doors failing due to a mix of original panel doors and the fact it was left derelict for afew years. They are hesitant to complete any remedial works (which are rather substantial in cost due to the amount) and have been asking for other options. Is there an amount of time remedials need to be completed by or a percentage of remedials that needs to be completed? Any advice positive or negative would be gre…

Hi, I have UK Intelligent Grade 7 Hinges BS: 1935:2002. (X3) On purpose built apartment front door. Recent Inspector claimed Grade 7 not sufficient, not fire rated. Hinges need upgrading. They stated if the existing were ‘grade 8, 9 or 10’ they would be fine. Grade 8 under above BS is a window hinge…. Grade 9 a window/door both much less vigorously tested and This is for fire door so above does not compute stating window hinges would be appropriate for said door. (I’m wondering if he may have been referencing grade 8 of the predecessing BS: 7352:1990, but he would/could not clarify and I can’t find free access to BS: 7352:1990 but he was looking at a hinge wit…

Good Morning I have recently been approached by an agency for fire door inspection contract and the client is requiring either the FDIS or BRE Level 3 qualification to be considered for the role. Could someone please confirm without bias, which if these is the most desirable, as Ideally I don't want to waste time and money on a qualification that is going to deemed unsuitable by various employers in the future! Ideally I would like to think these qualifications would be be considered 'equal' and completed at the highest level, but it has crossed my mind I need a second opinion! Thank you in advance

Are there any products that can reduce the gap between the door and the frame. The frame has intumescent strips in the rebate so I think something would have to be added to the door?

Hello, we have a 3 story residential detached home. The build was completed in late 2006 and there’s buildings control sign off from the local authority in late 2007. The doors to the habitation areas are heavy and 44mm thick as opposed to non hab doors which are thinner. I have been advised the doors are not compliant because the inside trim of the door frames isn’t thick enough. Appreciate that the frame is part of the “fire door” but is this likely to be correct. I was advised I would need to get a carpenter out to rip out the interior trim on the habitation doors and replace with thicker trim which would lengthen the time for a fire to spread. Also…

I have not been able to find a plastic finger guard supplier that is able to provide satisfactory fire certification to confirm that they have been tested for use with fire rated timber doors. Does anyone know of a supplier that can provide fire certification?

We have done a loft conversion (uk). The downstairs is currently open plan with a very small hall and staircase between the kitchen on one side, sitting room on the other side. Is there ANY alternative to fire doors? They are completely impractical as we go through them ALL the time and they will be wedged open, thereby rendering them useless. I am tempted to get the sign off from building control and take them out. As far as I can see there aren’t any fire regs for private houses. All the other doors are fire door and there is a clear exit onto flat roof from top floor. Advice please, are there alternatives to fire doors? Am I actually breaking law to take out fire door…

Hi everyone, I have a takeaway on left with the blue sign , that can just be visible, staff are sleeping above shop to the right with the yellow livery. Behind in the trees there is a flat with staff sleeping. I believe it is separated from the takeaway but above the yellow shop. the escape route seems to have wood and plastic sheeting as a weather shield , leading to the 2 x white doors to the street. other than the separation between use cases , does this come under the housing act as I can’t see where the FSO would come into play ? any help would be much appreciated, Rob

We have just been told to install a FD30S fire door that was already on site. I asked to see the compartmentation drawings and it shows that the door should in fact be a FD60S. The client just wants us to fit it but I’m not going to. Is there any information I can get to show the client that’s not the right thing to do. I have looked at approved document B but can’t find anything that highlights this.

Hi. Advice needed please. New intumescent strips fitted recently are not sticking. Can I use an adhesive? If so can anyone recommend one? Thanks in advance.

Hi all, I’m one of the directors of the RMO of a block of 32 residential flats which was built seven years ago. Following the new fire safety guidelines for blocks over 11 m, we had our first door fire safety inspection last year. Unfortunately, all doors failed the inspection. 72 communal doors (mostly riser cupboards) need replacement ans they are not compliant, annd all 32 front doors require remidial work to close existing gaps. I have attached examples of the report for both types of doors Replacing and fixing such a vast number of doors would obviously put a massive financial burden on the leaseholders of the block, so we are trying to establish wh…

Hi, I've found this website www.burglarybusters.ie and they claim to have doors that are more secure and still compliant with fire safety regulations. Do you know if these are really admissible or it's just them adjusting their marketing to what's required? Thank you

Could you please tell me if there is a maximum gap size between the fire door and frame after which the intumescent seal will not work. I have been told by a carpenter that this is 3 mm. Thank you

Hi, In our office there is an older FD60 door which has no intumescent around the glazing. Should these be upgraded or will they be okay as this was allowed back when they were installed. Also the frame is MDF is this allowed or is a new frame needed. We have no information on these doors.

I was thinking of getting into fire door installation work. Did a good course covering the topic of installation. However I’ve since learned from a friend who is in the business of installation work that you really need a workshop to adapt the doors and frames as they will never fit existing openings when doing replacement work. I found this to be a real let down as I naively thought I could be mobile fitting door sets on the road. Any feedback/advice greatly appreciated, thanks.

We have double fire doors at the entrance and into a communal lounge within our retirement complex, all residences are owner occupier's and the property is 7 years old, at present we have intumescent seals around both doors this being the hinge side and the top, but, not where the two doors meet should there be.???? Could you also help me with a problem we have within our complex we have 45 apartments all with FD30 JELD-WEN doors fitted, as you probably well know we will eventually start having periodical inspections of our doors, but many no longer have the certifire labels attached it is only stuck on to the top of the door and over time has been lost, if it ever …

Hello all I am currently training to be a fire door inspector, I went out to a hospital yesterday and conducted a mock survey. The client provided me with evidence of the doors in question. the Certifire report was valid until 2004, but the doors did not meet todays standards, i.e Georgian wire glass and no CE marking on the ironmongery. Are these doors still compliant because they was built to the required test report at the time Regards Doodle