Fire Doors and Accessories

I'm looking for a bit of help on some locks we have come across on flat entrance doors and riser doors. We see quite a few locks similar to the one in the picture. Some have correct BS standard markings on and others don't. However, on all doors it is very easy to see through the lock to the other side of the door. Often the cutting around the keyhole is oversized and not filled with any kind of intumescent protection. My concern is that this type of lock could let smoke/flames through very easily. Are these locks suitable? And what repairs should be done? I'm hoping some of you might be able to help me. Thanks.

Hi I currently work for a number of school establishments as a contractor and have been asked to look into providing services for fire door inspections could anybody give me some advice on which courses would be appropriate and legally cover me to do so as there are many online varying in length and price? I would like to know which of these is recommended and recognised? many thanks Chris

After any advice from the forum 🤞 We have many external front entrance FD30 doors to replace that have have services passing through the existing glazed fan lights. The client will not relocate any services and our door supplier only has testing under UKCA for a full width fan light section. There is no fire consultant or building control involved so at a loss at the moment. I am struggling to find a solution that would allow us to create a tested partition detail and certify the door set alongside. I have spoken with Promat but they need steel section installing to separate from the door set which is a huge task and additonal cost to the project. Could any…

Installing new fire doors in my property. Previous old doors had 25mmx25mm door stop around the frame. I saw something that they only need to be 12mm deep (softwood density 510kg/m3). Does anyone have a link to where I can get this thinner door stop wood of appropriate standard?

We have been advised by a fire door contractor to fit a FrameFit – Fire Door Upgrades to our fire doors to help reduce the operating gaps. These look too good to be true, so I am wondering if any of you fire door inspectors have a) come across these and b) would accept them if inspecting a door? Previous door inspections have suggested removing the frames and packing them out to reduce the operating gaps, which is obviously a lot more work, so if the Framefit devices are acceptable, we would obviously be interested in these. But we don't want to waste time and money if the Framefit is not compliant! Any thoughts / advice would be appreciated.

Hi, our block of flats were built in the 1980’s and have letterbox’s in the door. We have no information on these doors so I just wanted to know would we need the doors replaced as I heard unless the manufacturer says you can, fire doors cannot be drilled through. As we have no evidence how can we be sure these doors will perform in a fire?

Hi, I’m looking at a report on some fire doors and it says “ relocate hinges to 1 N leaf to adjust margins” can anyone tell me what 1 N leaf means please ? thanks Ben

Hi, I was hoping to get some advise before taking on a job. An old Victorian house based in east London needs to upgrade their doors to FD30 in line with regulations. The issue I have is that the existing frames are solid hardwood, architraves are original all sealed which is great, but due to subsidence the heads are very wonky. My question is, to avoid ripping out the original frames and opening a can of worms as the house is so old. Can I fit hardwood to the head of the frames to make them level (so the head of the fire door blanks remain untouched). I can then cut the doors from the bottom as the blanks will allow me to cut to the smaller heights? Any advis…

If a fire door is upgraded or has had repairs made to it should a certificate be issued by the contractor. What if the door has no label on it and the door cannot be traceable? How can you be sure that a door will perform in the event of a fire with repairs made.

Hi everyone, I'm reading some conflicting information on how often Flat entrance Fire doors (not communal areas, lobby doors etc.) need to be inspected and the level of inspection/FRA required. The blocks that I'm asking for are all under 11m and meet all the criteria for the guidance that applies to "small blocks of flats". The articles/sites that I'm getting the info from are non-commercial and government sites, some seem to be saying that beyond an initial inspection, inside and out( gaps, seals, hinges, closer, intumescents etc) to establish that they comply with regs all that is required from that point is an external inspection to make sure it's still a good fit wit…

Is it permissible to install fire and smoke seals into the edge of a suitable door stop when the edge gaps of existing fire doors are 4mm or above. This is on fire risers and cupboards.

My mother in law lives in a private flat along with about 50 other flats. I'm joint owner of the flat although I don't live there (its predominantly for retired residents). The flats were built in 1989 and all have their original front doors leading into a communal hallway. The property management company have written to all residents and informed them that they must replace their existing front doors with FD 30 standard front doors at the owners expense. Are they allowed to mandate the fitment of FD 30 doors in an existing building? Thanks in advance.

Can 15mm intumescent seals be installed on a standard size FD30 fire door blank. The label on on the top of the door is CF 807 but when I looked at this it’s suggests 10mm seals. The certificate only mentions maximum sizes so does that mean any configuration on the certificate can be used?

Hi there, I'm new here and I've been reading a few of the topics posted here about reducing gaps. I have a front door to the flat that has 4mm gap on the hinge side and 6mm gap on the closing side. I wanted to ask if surface mounted fire and smoke seal can be used to close the gap on the closing side to less than 4mm? Thank you.

I am currently carrying out my PhD in security device effectiveness. One security device I am analysisng is security chains.I am unsure if if I can ethically recommend security chains as an effective measure against burglary victimisation if there is a potential risk to having one fitted with regards to fire safety. Is there any offical guidance from the fire service (preferably UK) about whether security chains (on the inside of a front/back door) pose a potential risk when trying to esacpe from a fire?

I am looking at a large dining facility with a large kitchen included. The kitchen is separated from the eating and service area by block-work walls. All frying has its own Ansul suppression facilities. At the moment there is a difference of opinion as to the rating if the fire doors. 1. The kitchen is ancillary and therefore should be separated from the dining area as a compartment and have 60-minute doors, complies with ADB. 2. BS 9999, Table 29, allows for separation of a dining area from the associated from a kitchen by 30-minute wall with 30 min doors. The question is which one is right and why

I have lived in a retirement development for the past ten years and have always had a small plastic ornament on our flat door. A number of neighbours have something similar - such as a knocker/small plastic ornament. We've been told to remove them as they are a fire hazzard. All the doors are fire resistant doors and I wondered whether a knocker / ornament would hinder the fire door from doing its job and if there is a specific fire safety regulation about this kind of thing.

Hi All, Hope all are well this evening? I have been looking at our companies documents on on our fire doo survey sheets it requests frame thickness. What does this refer too and how would it be measured please. I have also noticed on one of our double leaf sets. Around the frame it has 1 x 20mm intumescent seal. Where the door meets on the closing edge it has 1 x 10mm. Surely this is in correct? Again we have no certificates or O&M manual for this door Thanks Team

Hi, Would plastic finger guards on hinge side of fire doors affect the performance of the doors in any way. I have contacted the manufacturer of the doors and they haven’t given me an answer. The doors are located in a primary school so I’m told finger guards are needed.

Hi all In our place of work, we have had a leaf and half fitted with new MDF frame. When the doors close in the centre there is 2 x 15mm strips fitted. one on either door. If there is a fire surly, they won't work correctly? The meet in the middle and not at all staggered thanks Team

I have a Dorgard and it works great in one area of the flat we let. But I need to add another one to the bedroom fire door as it is off he kitchen. Problem is that the doorfame with its fire door is mounted on the kitchen side, so the bedroom is about a 2 inch/5 cm step down from the kitchen floor doorway. Will the plunger in the Dorgard go down that far for when the door is open in the bedroom? Carpet is very short pile. We put the floor plate on this carpet successfully for the other installation in the flat's hall to isolate the kitchen from the rest of the flat.🙄 As the door opens only slightly past 90 degrees into the bedroom because of an overhead beam, we d…

Hi, I've seen intumescent kits sold online. Are those mandatory for FD30 doors? I've checked my doors at home and none have intumescent around the locks. Thank you Ronan

Hi, I am thinking to fit something like surface mounted intumescent strips or surface mounted intumescent fire & fire/smoke seals over the hinges and the latch area, because I don't understand how smoke wouldn't pass through those. I wanted to get your expert opinion: is it a good idea? Bad idea? Useless?

Hi, I have a door set that has an 8mm gap at the bottom of jambs to FFL. Whats the recommended remedial works that can be done?

Hi, I am getting more and more passionate about fire safety regulations, especially on fire rated doors, also thanks to this forum. I am trying to understand more about why gaps are so important and how they were determined. For example - why 10mm gap is allowed at the bottom but only 4mm on the sides and on top? - why 5mm would fail? What's the difference with 4? That smoke seals are only 4mm or because flames would pass in 5mm but not in 4? - why 2mm is ok but less it's not? Thank you for helping me in understanding more. Could you suggest a good course or certification on these matters?