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  2. Hi Tom/Antony. Thanks both of you. I will post on there and check out the links sent through. thanks.
  3. Check out Fire safety in purpose-built blocks of flats page 86.
  4. Hi, any help would be much appreciated. Is there a requirement to upgrade painted surfaces to class 0 in the common hallway of a purpose build block containing 4 one bed flats (2 ground, 2 first). The entrance is central to the block, construction is brick with concrete floor dividing ground an first floor. there is also an exit door to the rear on the ground floor. Any assistance would be much appriciated
  5. The threshold gap (at the bottom of the door) should be either less than 3mm in height or fitted with a threshold seal. See here for more information.
  6. BS 8214: 2016. Top,and sides should be 2 mm +/_ 1 mm (Maximum 4 mm minimum 2 mm) threshold gap is a little more complicated, check out the British Standard.
  7. Both BB100 & Building Regs are for designing new builds and not always fully applicable to existing builds. Earlier schools will have followed the many editions over the years of BB7 and the risk assessment guide for existing schools is here https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/14887/fsra-educational-premises.pdf
  8. There are loads out there: https://fire-surveys.com/ https://pyramid-online.net/index.php?d=1&d=1&refr=128 http://fireriskassessmentapp.co.uk/home/fra
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    Foam filled dispaly items

    Thanks, will give them a try
  10. I think you are more likely to get a response from Firenet Forum http://firenetforum.org.uk/ they have a membership of many more FR assessors who would be able to give an informed reply.
  11. Hi All, Could anyone cite the relevant regulation, ACOP or HSG that these numbers derive from please? I'm having a hard time finding the correct answer to this exact question in the face of a lot of conflicting answers I have a very loose understanding, but i was given to believe that the gaps were not to exceed 3mm at the top and sides and 8mm at the bottom? Thanks
  12. The clearance gap is between the edge of the door leaf and the door frame reveal. It should be 2mm to 4mm and the smoke brush or blade should fill the gap but without causing binding as the door self-closes.
  13. What you describe is quite common as the certification label is sometimes damaged when the door is installed. Intumescent edge seals may be fitted to the door frame or alternatively to the door leaf, so they may have been fitted when the door was first installed. From what you say, I assume the black foam you describe is a strip fitted to the corner of the rebate stop? Would need to see it to make any comment. If you are in doubt about the suitability of the doors you could contact a certificated fire door inspector.
  14. Can anyone give me some general advice on acceptable travel distance in school corridors. I have a building built in aprproximatley 1990 which has two large open plan cloakrooms (signifciant fire loading) with two adjacent rooms -breakout rooms/offices (you would have to pass through the cloakroom to exit the building) onto two long 30/35 metre plus open corrridors to final exits with no fire breaks. I have read the tables in building regs and understand there are vairous travel distance anyway in low/medium and high risk corridors with numebr of directiosn of travel i.e. 18 metres and 9 metres etc, etc. although they would not have applied at the time when built. I have read BB100 and the areas of special fire risk and the particuar cicumstances. Previous risk assessment states compartmentalise off and replace some sliding doors with self-closing doors and whole sectiosn of glazing which are not used and have left it open plan intentionally when built. The corrdiors predominantly service classroom which have their own external final fire exits at the back of every classroom. What would you do to reduce the risk if anything? School want to put in addtional fire breaks close to the cloakroom (less costly) that compartmentalising the cloakroom entirely as an area of secial fire hazard.
  15. I know that the clearance on a fire door has to be 4mm (vertical edges and top of door?) and 8mm bottom of door BUT is that 4mm or 8mm measured from the outeredge of the door itself OR the outer edge of the intumescent / brush strip. I cannot find the answer to this anywhere!!
  16. Hi, Looking for advice or recommendations on software used for conducting fire risk assessments. ultimately I believe the way forward is to use a tablet to gather information/evidence whilst on the premises but then also utilise this time efficiently by completing sections of the report whilst on site. Whenever complex or significant findings are highlighted, these will always need a greater level of detail however these can be edited back at the office. what I would want is a system which is user friendly which allows for multiple templates to be used dependant on the premise (block of flats / factory or process risk) and reduces the time spent report writing. creating my own templates (based on pas79) always brings the issues around formatting. is there anyone out there who would recommend a software app for undertaking assessments and completing reports. Thanks in advance.
  17. Try these for advice - they are specialists in the field of making items like yours safe for general use https://www.flameprotectuk.com/
  18. Hi all, I have found some fire doors (FD30 and FD60, timber) which have baffled me and am looking for some guidance if possible. The first thing I looked for was the certification label on the top of the door. Several are missing, however several have been damaged by intumescent fire strips (the brush type) these are literally going straight through the labels on the actual door rather than door frame. Am I correct in thinking these are been retro fitted at a later date? Unfortunately the labels are so badly damaged I cannot see any details. In addition, there is a black "foam" style material all around the door frame which sits flush with the door (well kinda of flush!) I presumed this was an acoustic dampener rather than anything fire related? Many thanks in advance for any help, assistance or thoughts...
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    Foam filled dispaly items

    Hi, A bit of advice on regulations please. The company I work for supplies themed display props, often used in public display areas such as theme parks. We do not manufacture but import these items mostly from the USA. They are typically hand made and hand painted body casts that are foam filled with “rubberised”/outer skin and sometimes with a fabric covering. The products do not have any certification relating to combustible properties etc. but we are in discussions with them about this. In the interim we are considering spraying the fabric with flame retardant material as a way of reducing risk. I am struggling to find what legislation is relevant to the supply and testing of these products. The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 appears to put the onus on the responsible person at the company using the products to reduce the risk and I guess this can be done by not using the products on an escape route/stair well etc. With Building regs Part B the products are not structural or linings so I cant see there are covered here. Anyone point me in the right direction. Thanks
  20. Assuming the exit door doesn’t need to be fire resistant to a 30 minutes standard, also the exit width is satisfactory and it is installed according to BS 7273 part 4 then it should be acceptable, check it out with your fire risk assessor.
  21. Building Regulations only apply to new builds, the DCLG guides replicate the approach used to good effect for over half a century and so as not to penalise existing buildings. The current approach offers enhanced safety, but the old approach still provides a reasonable level of safety in most situations.
  22. The problem is that many of the standard sized fire doors cannot be trimmed above approx 3mm off each vertical edge and 6mm off the bottom. There are minimum requirements in terms of the thickness of the hardwood lippings and because many fire doors have small section framing around a chipboard core the trim allowances are very limited. If you trim too much then the door will be weakened and therefore not provide the required performance. You could possibly fit new fire door frames to suit standard door leaf sizes, depending on the structural openings. If the structural opening sizes won't work for standard sized doors then, sorry looks like its gonna be door blanks.
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    Entrance door

    Hi, If an existing fire exit door now needs to be used as an entrance door in a commercial unit, buzz entry system etc. Is it sufficient to have a door with entry buzz system and break glass unit along with a new door with glass for visibility which is heat resistant. Thanking you
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    The property is not hmo Its a large house converted into 3 flats. The escape routes are fitted with 3 x smokes, 2 call points and 2 sounders. We would prefer not to extend the communal system into the flats due to problems with access and upheavel. Its much easier just to have the parts of the mixed systwms replaced. As long as this complies? Having the mxed system also appeals in case one is tampered.
  26. Why is there a difference on advice for subdivision of corridors In building regulations it states "Where a corridor exceeding 12 m in length connects two or more storey exits, it should be subdivided by self­closing fire doors". However in the local government fire risk assessment guides it states a corridor that exceeds 30m in length should be subdivided. Why is there such a difference and which is correct?
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