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  2. Change your contractor - they are trying to fleece you by scare tactics by saying it's the law. Firstly it's not and secondly it's been in the guidance for a lot longer than 6 months! Common sense and a risk based approach dictates that smaller areas, especially if only one exit, would be more than amply covered by a single unit. You will never get prosecuted for this, the only time you might have to accept the overkill is if your insurer insists. The Standards are influenced by those who make and sell extinguishers or represent their trade and are not as objectively independent as they should be.
  3. Hi, this is not a legal requirement but a best practice recommendation. There still needs to be a degree of common sense deployed. Harry
  4. Hi I have just been told BS 5306-8 Clause 8.2 referring to "Each storey with an area less than or equal to 400m² should have at least 2 extinguishers having a minimum total fire rating of 26A (e.g. minimum 2 x 3L Hydrospray or 2 x 9L foam)" became a mandatory legal requirement 6 months ago. Can you confirm that it is a legal requirement please.
  5. There is a BIG difference between FIREMEN who are highly trained / ready for emergency / ready for action / physically fit / experienced and prepared / in practical boots and protective gear / with oxygen to breathe and visors over their eyes to SEE better in the smoke / while surrounded by all of their equally prepared colleagues nearby / plus radio communications for support (should any of them graze their knee on a doormat)... ...Compared to somebody vulnerable / elderly or very young / ill or disabled / who can't find their glasses or blind / with smoke burning their eyes / wearing slippers or no shoes / still half asleep and totally unprepared / choking and coughing etc / who is rushing out in a panic to the air and safety. YES it is possible that somebody might trip over a doormat. Maybe they can't see it because of smoke or other people in front of them. Maybe they have a visual impairment. Maybe somebody is carrying a child or a pet so that they can't see their own feet properly. Maybe the doormat had moved when your neighbour ran out earlier in a panic so you didn't know it was there. Maybe one person pushing another caused them to trip over the doormat. Maybe the neighbour's dog or cat got its claw caught on the doormat running out and the corner got bent over like you didn't expect. Etc. Never say never! And what if the communal FIRE EXIT involves several people, then just ONE person tripping up could hold up ALL the other people behind. Just like the lottery, it could be YOU or someone you love, but NOT in a good way and then you would be sorry. The 'harmless doormat' could be a wild card if you want to play that card with people's lives, and if something happens then it won't be so harmless anymore. Everyone knows that freak accidents can happen every day anywhere at any time and in ways that you could never believe or expect or predict. Even if only ONE person (recorded or not) has ever tripped just ONCE on a doormat in their whole lives in the history of the WHOLE universe - then that would be sufficient to say NO doormats where a ZERO tolerance policy is concerned - because the number 1 is higher than 0 and the meaning of zero HAS to be zero. NOTHING COULD BE SAFER THAN REMOVING THIS DOORMAR HAZARD QUESTION ALTOGETHER. Not having recorded statistics is NOT a reason to tempt fate. Everyone should keep their own doormat INSIDE their own front door where it is not public and not a potential trip hazard of more than ZERO.
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  7. Are you familiar with the the construction of the floor/roof as the decking would have to be laid on a more substantial construction.
  8. Ok that makes sense then as there are quite a lot of doors sobthatvwould potentially reduce the amount going through one doormat any given time. What do you think about the lip on the threshold plate being a potential trip hazard, as I tripped on it in a calm situation, should something be done about that?
  9. I'd double check Scottish Technical Standards as they are increasingly different from England & Wales in may aspects.
  10. Do bear in mind that as a Care Home it should be operating progressive horizontal evacuation and you may not be putting 60 through the route at once, so you may be able to justify the existing configuration.
  11. PAS 79:2012 Fire Risk Assessment. Guidance and a recommended methodology
  12. Hi, Can I ask for the source of the above figure so I can reference it? Much regards
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  14. On the above point am I reading this correctly that the regulation within a 3 storey dwellinghouse is that a fire door needs to be in place but they do NOT need to be self closing (on all occasions) PS I am in Scotland so unsure is refs are consistent across the UK
  15. HI Tom, Thanks for your reply regrettably I work on a Site which doesn't allow any radio's, phone's or Bluetooth devices. I think we will need to include on induction and annual Fire Fighting Training that individuals on finding a fire during maintenance raise the alarm and continue to raise the alarm until the reception announces an evacuation. It was more hope that someone had a Gem of information that might help. Ill try the link you suggested. Thanks again, Gary
  16. The joys of fire risk assessment you thought you've seen everything and then... Did one the other day where at the end of the building there is a first floor decking area (say 80 m2) which forms part of the roof of a ground floor car park. Is there anything in the guidance /regs relating to this? My initial reaction is 30 minutes fire resistance etc
  17. Thanks I have read something about the 60 person rule but wasnt sure if that's legislation or not .The doors are at a care home of 34 residents and an attached day centre. With visitors etc the foot traffic throughout the building would be well over 60, but the building is 15 years old and these doors are original. No one has picked up on this direction of opening before and that there is a lip on the threshold plate that could b a trip hazard. Well it is actually as I tripped over it lol. So again i sit here confused as to me it goes against the grain to have them opening inwards.
  18. Your internal doors are likely to have been fire doors, the standard at the time (CP3 chapter lV part 1: 1971 referenced in The Building Regulations 1985 - assuming the conversion was Building Regulation compliant) was to have all doors as self closing fire doors other than bathrooms and toilets. These would have been solid doors with 25mm stops and internal chain type closers. You can't make anything worse than the original standard at the time of install so you would need fire doors (but only FD20 20 minute standard, although in practice they can be difficult to find so a FD30 blank is often used) which wouldn't need intumescent seals just the stop. You don't need the self closer any more though - current standards don't require them any more except to the front door.
  19. It's based on numbers and persons using the door. Normally 60 persons is the cross over from good practice to a must, based on official benchmarks going back many decades, if there are gatherings of the public where they could be a mass panic and the risk of crushing this can affect the risk assessment.
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    There is the old fashioned method of interlinking via cable using standard interlink smoke alarms. I doubt they transmit continuously as the batteries wouldn't last too long but the manufacturer will know the full info - if it's any use to you they transmit on 868MHz
  21. The old answer was the last flight of external escape stairs was cantilevered and only lowered to ground when used: You need to consult your Approved Inspector or Local Authority Building Control immediately with your issue - they may not accept certain solutions, the fold out ladder is unlikely to comply, chutes have been accepted but normally in very specific circumstances and not for the public. You may find it more appropriate to seek a fire engineered solution to avoid the need for the alternative route - bigger projects than yours have avoided the need for entire stairs by use of domestic sprinklers and a enhanced smoke control solution.
  22. No, any fire alarm system in a place of work must have two power supplies to meet the Health & Safety (Safety Signs & Signals) Regulations, which usually means mains and battery. You would need all alarms in the relevant area to sound, not just one in a local area. This assumes the bays are not open air and the system isn't a proper BS5839-1 wireless fire alarm system where individual devices have dual battery power.
  23. Hi Peter, Safelincs does supply two potential non-staircase escape solutions. a) an externally fitted fold out escape ladder system, called Saffold b) an evacuation chute that is located on the flat roof and is deployed over the edge of the parapet Both are only deployed in an emergency. Harry
  24. Hi, I own a leasehold first-floor flat which is part of a converted, four storey, semi-detached house. The conversion was in 1988. I'd like to replace the internal doors in the property to make them more cosmetically appealing. I've been told by a carpenter that all internal doors need to be fire doors. However, the reading I've done online seems to suggest that only the front door of the flat which opens onto the communal staircase needs to be a fire door. However, the legislation is complex and so I'm not at all sure about this conclusion. I was wondering whether anyone is able to clarify which doors need to be fire doors? Many thanks in advance.
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    ULTRA-FIRE UBS 1RF Smoke Alarm and Radio-Interlink. Hello there, I wonder if you could help me please? For health reasons, we don't have Wi-Fi, cordless telephones etc. in our house, so I would like to know a bit more about the Radio-Interlink. Under normal 'standby' conditions, does it transmit continuously 24/7, which obviously wouldn't be suitable for our purposes, OR does it only transmit under certain circumstances i.e. for the few seconds when additional alarms are being programmed in, also when the test button is pressed, when a low batt alarm is given etc, and of course when there is an actual alarm, which of course would be acceptable for us? John Lindsay.
  26. Hi, Is there legislation that states that a final exit door should open outwards or is this just a good working practice ? Thanks
  27. I managed to speak to the window manufacturer who were very helpful and confirmed the sealant used is definitely not intumescent and thus negates the door certificate.
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