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    most helpful-Information found - Thank you Tom sutton.
  3. Size of refuge signs

    Hi What height do the 'Refuge Keep Clear' signs have to be. I know the EVC system is 900 to 1200 form FFL but not sure of sign height.
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  5. Fire safety labels

    It's complicated! Essentially, the Furniture Regulations apply to covers and fillings of sofas but only the fillings of mattresses. In the many years I worked for the government on these regulations, I was never able to find out why mattress covers were excluded. Mattress covers by default fall under the General Product Safety Regulations 2005, as Tom says. This means the requirements for mattresses are not straightforward, i.e: The Furniture Regs are UK law and prescriptive The GPSR are EU law and advisory Which means by law you must comply with the Furniture Regs but where the GPSR is concerned you can decide yourself what constitutes 'safe'. In practice, everyone agrees that BS 7177 should be met to demonstrate 'safe' for mattress covers. But you aren't breaking the law exactly if you don't use it. It would be up to Trading Standards to convince a court that you should have used it and therefore your product isn't safe (which to be fair a court would almost certainly do). BS 7177 has a labelling requirement. Again, it's not against the law exactly not to put it on a product but it would certainly help Trading Standards' case if it's absent. The permanent label required by the Furniture Regs, however, is a legal requirement: if it's missing, then in effect your mattress is illegal. Therefore I agree with Tom that it would be unwise to provide your tenants with a sofa that doesn't carry the permanent label. And in practice that pretty much goes for mattresses too. Just to add to the complication . . . While BS 7177 is used to demonstrate the safety of mattress covers, it's a composite test, i.e. carried out over the cover and the filling. Quite a few 'organic' mattress makers only test to BS 7177, claiming that it is the test for both covers and fillings. But it isn't. Fillings need to comply with the Furniture Regs. But some organic materials - like 100% latex - would never pass the fillings test but they can pass the BS 7177 test. You can guess the rest . . . The Department for Business started to resolve this and many other anomalies in the regulations but for the past 4 years they've done bugger all about them. I suspect they're waiting for Brexit and hoping that they can simply ditch them then.

    Check out FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing page 48 and other parts of the guide, you should find your answers there.
  7. The other way I am aware of is to take the bins through the lift, but the GM doesn't want this anymore. Not sure what do you mean by 'If there is no goods life then it leaves the stairs.'

    Can anyone please advise on the correct Fire Alarm System for the following. 4 x storey building [including basement]-Converting from old post office into 4 No. self contained flats with full fire separation, all to current building regulations. Flat 4 /2nd floor self contained -Accessed by communal staircase, via communal staircase to 2nd floor Flat 3.1st floor self contained -Accessed by main property door, via communal staircase to 1st floor. Flat 2/ground floor & basement [duplex] self contained-Accessed from shared main property door access [own staircase within flat] Flat 1/ground floor & basement [duplex] self contained -Own Access / own staircase within flat. Although all 4 flats are self contained ,All these flat are to be let/licenced with local authority approval. The L.A. require an alarm system which complies with HMO regulations, although they say they cannot advise what Grade or Category this F.A. system should be. I have looked at A guide to BS5839-6:2013/Building Regs Part B, but am finding it rather confusing + I have received differing advice from F.A. approved providers. Would be most obliged if someone could offer advice or point me in another direction for advice. Thank you in advance.
  9. Stay put policy

    As AB has said, the fire officer is correct according to the present day guidance, but myself I would be cautious and wait the outcome of the Grenfell Tower inquiry in case there is any changes to the regulations and guidance. If it is left it is not going to cause any major problems the occupants will know if there is a fire on the premises and they can still stay put or evacuate as they choose.
  10. Fire Doors with Through Carpets

    Thanks again, Tom. You're absolutely right about attitudes and this particular area of risk will always be one that gets less scrutiny. I have long had concerns about the lack of a joined up approach in commercial fit-outs where fire protection measures are concerned. Fire barriers span the entire storey height and include partitions/doors between ceiling and raised access floor but also include the ceiling and floor void barriers, the ceilings and floors themselves and also the interfaces between those various elements. There seems to be very little interrogation of the finished construction as a whole barrier and a presumption that the respective 'specialist sub-contractors' have done what they should have done. For example, there are plenty of 60 minute fire screens out there fixed on a raised access floor. That's a very heavy concentrated load and it's highly doubtful that the floor system will have been through a fire test, adequately loaded and to the same intensity. I know of one floor system that is highly specified in commercial interiors and has been fire tested, BUT only for 30 minutes, to the reduced 500 degree C temperature curve, and with only a moderate, evenly distributed load. That seems very incompatible to me. Back to carpets, my friends at Warrington Fire certainly take the view that carpets should be either terminated either side of a fire door or at least have a non-combustible threshold placed over the carpet. That's the same risk-averse approach that I favour. after all, we can't be certain of where and to what intensity a fire might be present. But as you say, the decision rests with the enforcement officers, so I guess we'll just have to include some form of disclaimer. Thanks again for your thoughts. They've been very helpful. Peter
  11. That's a brilliant help - thank you Anthony.
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  13. Recent Guidance Act? Do you mean BS5266-1:2016? Do you mean upgrading escape route provision from the old 0.2 lux to 1 lux, which has been around for quite a few years now.
  14. Ignore the extinguisher company, they just want to sell extinguishers. I remove hundreds of unnecessary extinguishers from stairway annually - the stairs contain no risk, but the floors do for which you have sufficient. If you have Water Mist there is no point in having the CO2 either. If your electrical cupboard has a Water Mist within 10m you don't need an additional extinguisher, also a 5kg CO2 would be overkill for a typical small office distribution room, either 2kg CO2 or for consistency you could stick a Water Mist outside. The whole point of Water Mist is it's safe for direct use on electrical fires up to 1000V so you don't have to have additional CO2 extinguishers. BS5306-8 is not law, it's just guidance and it's the fire risk assessment that makes the decision on requirements based on risk not prescriptive standards.
  15. It's not perfect but yes - is there any other way to empty the bins? If there is no goods life then it leaves the stairs.
  16. Stay put policy

    I assume it's yet another purpose built block with call points and sounders that weren't actually needed, the fire officer is correct and will be referring back to the current standards in Building Regulations and the Fire Safety guidance for Purpose Built flats.
  17. Stay put policy

    How is the fire siren operated you need to give more information about the fire alarm.
  18. Doors opening outwards from a room is very unusual, they normally open inwards, and they would also create an obstruction which makes me surprised the building control office accepted them. Without personal knowledge of the situation I cannot be definitive but I would think it is unacceptable because of the obstruction problem. The guidance for premises like yours is FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing and all you need to know you will find in there.
  19. Hi Suzanne, with the strong winds it is possible that the log burner was leaking CO into your rooms, triggering the carbon monoxide alarm. Firing up an engine in the next room can also create sufficient CO levels to set off the alarm. Harry
  20. Hi Can we ask your advice - we have an office block (ground, first and second floors). Each floor is approx. 360M2. Two protected stairways - each have 2 x FD30s lobby approaches. Question is; do we need FEA's inside each protected stairway at each landing in addition to them being inside (adjacent to) each fire exit door in the office accommodation area?? At present, we have 1 x 13A Water Mist and 1 x 2KG FEA on brackets in the office accommodation area adjacent to the exit doors. Our thinking was that the fire risk is in the office area so if staff have to travel in to the stairway to collect the FEA's, they will then have to return in to the office accommodation to tackle the flames...which is madness in our mind! BUT, the Fire Extinguisher company says we do HAVE to position additional extinguishers inside the stairway too...but BS5306-8 appears to show that as long as we have 2 x 13A on each level (plus CO2), we are fine?? So why should we have to have FEA's inside the office accommodation and then double up with exactly the same in the stairway itself?? We have ordered a 5KG CO2 extinguisher for the 415V electricity cupboard too. Any help/guidance much appreciated. Thank you.
  21. I am organising a conference on emergency lighting and want to include a session emergency lighting for care homes - are you aware of any care homes that have recently developed their escape route lighting under the recent guidance act to ensure it is compliant? Looking for an case study to include within the programme.
  22. Hallo Tom. I've read all your Q&A's. I am selling 2 flats in a conversion that was done in the early 90's and complied with all regulations then. I own the freehold and will be granting leases and then transferring the freehold to the new owners. I need a Fire Risk Assessment Report and will comply. The communal hallway which gives access to both flats, at ground level, is 0.97m x 3.39m. The fire doors to both flats open outward into the communal hallway. Do you know if this increases or decreases risk? Does such a communal hallway need fire and smoke alarms? A fire extinguisher? regards Pat Breslin
  23. Stay put policy

    Hi. A fire officer upon audit has advised that our block of flats, which is built to withstand stay put (2008 construction, fire doors etc) but aslo has a fire siren sound in the event of a fire, is in conflict and we should remove the fire siren. We feel uncomfortable doing this. Please can you point me to further advice?
  24. If I understand it correctly the staff can legally pass through the stairs (fire exit) carrying sometimes heavy bins, from the 5th floor down to the courtyard as long as they don't leave things on the way'?
  25. I have a log burner my co alarm sounded earlier but has now gone off. We have an open kitchen but hubby was cooking tea but also had fired up motor bike earlier, this is in garage off kitchen. Please advise
  26. Check out https://www.iqfiresolutions.com/resources/responsible-person-duty-holder-flats-maisonettes.html it may be usful but take special notice of the last line of the page. (Note. Treat the above information with caution and if you intend acting upon it, take qualified legal advice.)
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