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  2. AnthonyB

    How many fire exits do we need?

    If it's a finished floor height of 11m plus then you should have access to both exits, which if partitioned after current building regulations came into being shouldn't go through another tenants space (it did used to be accepted)
  3. Guest

    How many fire exits do we need?

    Hi, I am hoping for some advice. We are a new tenant within a multi-occupied 8-storey building. The building is provided with 2 fully fire protected stairwells leading to ultimate safety on ground. most floors will be one tenant who have access to bot fire escape routes. We are located on the 4th floor which is subdivided into 2 separate offices. We can only access the main fire escape stairwell to the front of the building but cannot access the rear escape without accessing another tenants office, which they do not want to happen. We have around 20 employees in a general office building with no high risk fire areas and are under 18m away from the fire protected stairwell lobby. Is this one exit suffice for our needs or do i need to take anything else into account. Any advice greatly appreciated
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  5. AnthonyB

    Flats with swimming pool in basement

    Very weird. I'd expect the pool and associated ancillary accommodation to operate full evacuation and so have at least the L5/M type set up it seems to have, but the actual flats I'd expect only to have detectors to the common areas if there are smoke vents, or the common overkill of smokes, sounders, call points. I don't suppose anyone can dig out the original design fire strategy?
  6. Tom Sutton

    Which way should a fire exit door swing?

    The rule of thumb for the direction of opening of fire exit doors are, in most cases, if there are more than 60 persons likely to use the door then it must open in the direction of escape. (outwards) less than 60 then it can open inwards. But it is not just the direction of opening, a fire exit should not be obstructed not even partially you need to speak to the council. As for the fire and rescue service there actions are not satisfactory you should contact the headquarters of you local fire service and report your problems to them and insist everything is in writing, including your concerns. Check out https://www.firesafe.org.uk/uk-fire-rescue-services-details/.
  7. Ours went off twice in the middle of the night for about 10 seconds each time. We blew on it and a freaking spider jumped out. So yeah, might want to see if there’s dust or spiders around it...
  8. Tom Sutton

    Selling a leasehold flat - fire RA

    Then you and the other tenants as the managing agents are to Responsible Person and therefore responsible for complying with The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 which includes conducting a fire risk assessment. Sorry about the link it is A Guide to Choosing a Competent Fire Risk Assessor
  9. Our fire exit is in the corner of a parking area which used to be kept clear and the door would swing open to the wall for exiting. However due to changes in bye-laws the large wheeled waste bins for the restaurant below us are now kept against this wall and can sometimes be moved very close. This has made me realise that if the bin stops the door opening fully we are faced with a wall. Whereas if the door swung the other way there might at least be a chance of squeezing out. I know the wheeled bin is a problem and I'm working on it but is there any regulation about the way the door should swing. I think this is a structure created by the restaurant quite possibly without permission and have already reported them to the fire service because they also jam it shut with a plank of wood behind the push bar. However, the fire service don't seem to be interested. Even when they were here when the restaurant's boiler room alarm was going off and the chief officer said to me "We'll be back because there are a few things here we aren't happy about." That was 10 months ago now and I haven't seen them since.
  10. Neil Ashdown CertFDI

    Fire Door Rebate dimensions

    Could be, Tom. Either way the installer should install or perhaps should have installed in accordance with manufacturers installation instructions.
  11. Hi all, in need of some advice please. I have been asked to carry out an FRA of a communal area of a detached, small block of flats which were built in 2002. 4 Flats over ground and first floor, flats open onto a the staircase with the upstairs flats having alternative means of escape via a sdeperate exterior staircase.A couldnt check any front doors as nobody was in but lets assume they are FD30 for a minute. For some reason, there is a manual fire alarm system in the communal areas with a call point and sounder outside each flat and the panel downstairs. There is a basement swimming pool for use of all residents(in these flats and the rest of the gated complex) below these flats which has its own exit/entry via a door next to this block and a seperate alternative escape staircase.The pool has a manual alarm system with sounders too but also heat detectors in the boiler room (no one knew if they were linked to the residents sounders). From my description above, my main issue is with advising on the most appropriate detection for this building. I normally would not recommend any detection in the communal areas but with the swimming pool hazard.... Obviously conscious of unneccessary evacuations or false alarms but also see the hazard of a possible unnoticed fire in the swimming pool complex below. Any views or advice would be a greatly appreciated. Vince
  12. Tom Sutton

    Fire Door Rebate dimensions

    The way I read it is Gordo has had the doors fitted and they have been replaced with fire door sets (Door and Frame) to BS 476 part 22 and consequently they have the 12mm rebates I assume with intumescent strips/cold smoke seals. He now is concerned why the rebates are only 12mm and not 24mm as was required by BS 476 part 8. (previous standard)
  13. Neil Ashdown CertFDI

    Fire Door Rebate dimensions

    Hi Gordo, From what you say it seems you have purchased new door leaves to replace existing ones damaged in a burglary and that these are to be fitted in the existing door frame. AnthonyB is correct, the usual rebate size for the meeting edges of fire doors is 13mm because they are fire-performance tested with that rebate size in the furnace to the BS 476 or BSEN 1634 test. The door leaf (or door blank) manufacturer will have produced installation instructions based on evidence from that fire performance test. Assuming the doors are being used as fire doors it is important that they are installed in exact accordance (including use of the correct door frame, seals and door hardware) with the door manufacturers installation instructions. Any deviation from the manufacturers installation instructions may invalidate fire performance certification and jeopardise fire separation performance.
  14. EdCrouchy

    Selling a leasehold flat - fire RA

    Hi again, this link didn't seem to lead to the guide, just a general site. Do you have another link? Thank you.
  15. EdCrouchy

    Selling a leasehold flat - fire RA

    Thanks for the information. The management company is a registered company with Companies House so I assume it will count as the Responsible Person but I will check the link.
  16. You said a concealed self closer installed to the front door, if it is not a perko powermatic, then it is unlikely to meet the required standard and you will need to fit an overhead self closing device to BS EN 1154:1997 Building Hardware – Controlled Door Closing Devices. Check out https://www.firesafe.org.uk/fire-door-fitting-and-ironmongery/.
  17. Tom Sutton

    Fire Exits as Entry Doors

    All doors that lead to a place of safety in a fire are fire exit doors and should be fitted with fire exit signs when it could be confused where the door leads to. All doors that lead, direct to fresh air, are called final fire exit doors and in most cases do not need to be fire resistant unless they open onto a narrow alleyway. All fire exit doors need to be easily opened, in the direction of escape, without the use of a key and there are many locking devices that meet that specification but all exit doors used in an escape route from an auditorium should use panic bars. However not all doors need to be used in a means of escape plan, this would depend on the occupancy of the premises, these could be fitted with locks of your own choice. When the premises are empty you can secure it as tight as a drum, with whatever devices you choose, but when occupied all MoE doors should be available.
  18. Tom Sutton

    Selling a leasehold flat - fire RA

    Sorry my mistake the third link should be HOUSING – FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing
  19. Tom Sutton

    Selling a leasehold flat - fire RA

    The building is subject to The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 and study it to decide who the Responsible Person is (article 3 ) and it is then who are responsible for conduction the Fire risk Assessment. If the management company has been legally set up then it is them if not it would be the owners/freeholder. Because of your apparent lack of knowledge I would suggest you consider using a fire risk assessor, check out A Guide to Choosing a Competent Fire Risk Assessor and A Guide to Choosing a Competent Fire Risk Assessor.
  20. Tom Sutton

    Fire Engineering

    Firstly I would decide which course you intend to apply for, then contact them to see the recommended book list to assist you in your course. As for BS 9999 I am not aware of any in depth guide to BS 9999 occasionally I have seen seminars on this subject.
  21. Tom Sutton

    Regulatory Reform Order 2005 - Fire doors

    Yes it does, providing you share in common an escape route used by you and the other tenant, it all depends on the layout of the premises.
  22. Tom Sutton

    Fire Rated Internal Screens

    I will call it a borrowed light as opposed to a screen and to my knowledge an escape routes less than 1.8 m, escapees have to be protected from radiated heat, in this case from the day room if involved in fire. There are two means of protection, by allowing the sill of the borrowed light to be located above 1.2 m above the floor level so escapees can crouch down and crawl pass the borrowed light avoiding the radiated heat. The second is to provide insulated fire resistant glass. In most circumstances insulated FRG would not be required but because it is a Residential Care Home, can you expect older residents to crouch down or wheelchairs to pass the borrowed light. So I would suggest you would require insulated FRG.
  23. Sorry if this has been answered before, I just wanted to check on my specific station. I am selling my leasehold flat and have been asked to provide a fire risk assessment (and asbestos survey) for the communal areas to the buyer's solicitors. I'm keen to avoid unnecessary costs basically but want to do the right/best thing too. Details on the property situation: Victorian house divided into 3 flats - 2 flats (mine and another)share a communal hallway and staircase. Landlords are a couple who do not live in the building Management Company is very informal, made up of the owners of each flat. Does anyone have any advice or guidance for this? Who is responsible and how best to go about the RA if we are responsible? Thanks in advance.
  24. Current building regulations removed the requirement for internal doors to have closers so they are OK, but it was incorrect to remove the front door closer and you will need to put that back.
  25. AnthonyB

    Slave fire doors

    If it's got it's own closer rather than just being bolted then that usually is a good indicator that the whole width of both doors was required for escape at the time of installation based on the occupancy numbers, discounting of exits etc. as oppose to just for floor moves. If your Means of Escape calculations, done correctly, indicate you only need the main leaf and you want to keep the quarter bolted then you should be OK
  26. Yes, you need to be able to demonstrate competency - with up to 52 individual points to correctly check some form of training is usually in order!
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