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  3. Fire rated solid brass Europrofile cylinders

    Hi Fadi, I would add that it is of course the 'lock-bolt or latch-bolt in its keep' that will help to hold the door closed in a fire situation. As far the fire performance tests are concerned the manufacturer will have test evidence for his products used in timber or metal doors. Please note that test results of components used in metal doors should not be used to substantiate performance for timber doors and vice versa. Timber fire door manufacturers' data sheets and instruction manuals will specify the requirements for locks and latches as well as providing installation requirements.These documents are generally available for FD30 and FD60 on-line. Regards, Neil.
  4. Fire extinguisher life length?

    Yes. With stored pressure extinguishers you cannot 100% ensure they will work or are in safe condition just by the annual basic service. The discharge test, strip down and internal examination is the only way of detecting defects affecting safety or efficacy. Stuck gauges on leaky valves, internal corrosion, detached diptubes, etc. Also the extinguishing agent deteriorates with age and requires renewal to maintained efficacy. Before end disposal we often use 5+ year old extinguishers on training courses (where failure to operate is less of an issue and we take more than we need) and it's not as uncommon as you might think where they fail or do not perform as well as designed. The user servicable P50 range (available from Safelincs) does have the benefit of a 10 year interval between tests and you can do the annual check in house.
  5. Stair Lift Removal In Community Blocks?

    Do the premises operate a stay put policy? If so the stair widths are nowhere near as important as where you would be trying to get all occupiers down in one go. Sounds like a lack of ability to correctly risk assess in the way often associated with H&S
  6. The common area is subject to The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 and requires a fire risk assessment. (FRA) You can do it yourself or use a fire risk assessor and choose one use A Guide to Choosing a Competent Fire Risk Assessor or if you decide to do it yourself the following guidance will help. For prices you will have to contact the suitable fire risk assessor. https://www.gov.uk/workplace-fire-safety-your-responsibilities https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-risk-assessment-5-step-checklist https://www.gov.uk/workplace-fire-safety-your-responsibilities/fire-risk-assessments
  7. I depends if it is a private seller or a business, private sellers are not subject to the legislation but businesses are. The enforcing authority is the Trading Standards so if it is a business then contact the local department. Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the home - A Guide to the UK Regulations
  8. Hello I'm sole freeholder of a 3 flat converted victorian. only common area is small hallway and stairs with landing. I'm I RP and do i have to obtain a fire safety certificate (I'm not sure there is a certain answer above), and are there companies that provide this at which cost? do you have some example or what i need to google for please? and lastly how often do i need to do this certificate please? many thanks, Tom
  9. Mr Sutton, I had been considering buying a re-upholstered piece of furniture on eBay. The seller states that the re-upholstery fabric has integrated (ie not sprayed-on) flame retardancy and is labelled as such. However the supplier of the fabric used says that it has no flame / fire retardancy properties. I have become convinced that the flame retardancy claim is false. Is there a body to whom such claims should be reported? Basil
  10. Thank you for the reply. Much appreciated.
  11. I would think the brass would not melt into a liquid form at those temperatures it is more likely to soften and distort like steel at those temperatures. Providing the door remains closed, the role of the lock will achieved its aims and it holds back the fire for the given time it will have passed.
  12. Door Widths (Where to measure)

    From the Home Office guidance Small and medium placesof assembly are the following statements. The effective usable width of an escape route is the narrowest point, normally a door or other restriction such as narrowing of a corridor due to fixtures and fittings. The capacity of an escape route is measured by the number of persons per minute that can pass through it so, to establish the capacity of the route, it is first necessary to measure the width of the route at the narrowest point. The effective width of a doorway is the clear unobstructed width through the doorway when the door is open at right angles to the frame. The effective width at any other point is the narrowest clear unobstructed width through which people can pass. When calculating the overall available escape route capacity for premises that have more than one way out, you should normally assume that the widest is not available because it has been compromised by fire. If doors or other exits leading to escape routes are too close to one another you should consider whether the fire could affect both at the same time. If that is the case, it may be necessary to discount them both from your calculation.
  13. if the extinguishers are 5yrs old and have been checked annually and are in perfect order do they still need to be refilled even though they are showing 'full'?
  14. Thanks for your reply. The housing association are stating that it is an hazard due to the width of the stairway and it's not that that there maybe a danger of the equipment igniting in a sterile area. The strange thing is that some of the blocks are going to retain their stair lifts if the housing association considers that the upstairs tenants have mobility issues. To compare the risk with Grenfall I believe is an overreaction when there are only two tenants living on the first floor.
  15. You are likely to require Building Control approval depending on a couple of factors - that process will answer your query specific to your house: https://www.labc.co.uk/your-project/homeowners/building-control-internal-alterations#buildingremoving
  16. Stair Lift Removal In Community Blocks?

    Probably coincidence. There has been no change in legislation or risk assessment guidance (other than specific guidance for premises with cladding issues). What has happened is that many housing providers have urgently reviewed their fire safety management and risk assessments and issues that crop up as a result are being addressed. It may be that your evacuation procedure has been changed as a result of your FRA so the full width is required to accommodate the evacuation of all flats as once rather than just the flat of fire origin initially, or that they deem the equipment an unacceptable ignition risk in what should be a fire/ignition sterile area.
  17. BS9999 occupancy calculations

    As Tom says. If the Government Guides lead to an untenable situation then Fire Engineering is sometimes an option as is the correct use of BS9999 (in whole not cherry picking sections) - but the later does't always work out. I used BS9999 to try and design out installing a third stair in a conversion of a mill into offices due to excess travel distances, but the upgrading in floor fire resistance, shafts and provision of fire service rising mains associated with a BS9999 design ended up making the traditional benchmark approach easier and cheaper!
  18. BS9999 occupancy calculations

    I would use the guidance recommended by the Gov.UK DCLG Home Office. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fire-safety-law-and-guidance-documents-for-business.
  19. Im putting a wall up to keeep the heat in my livingroom do i need a fore door and frame also does the the plasterboard need to be fire resistant thanks
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  21. Hi, Premises is a nightclub (Basement) - Occupants - 350 Two exits both lobbied stairwells to the ground floor exits on to the street. The two lobbied doors are narrower than the final exits doors. Question - When measuring door widths am I correct in thinking that I should be measuring the two inner doors that a more narrow, or the wider final exits? Exit widths do not add up. they only accommodate 290 persons. (discounting the main wider entrance). Question - When conducting my report can I keep the occupancy and implement controls that will ensure that both exits are available at all times, or are door width capacities the bottom line? Appreciate any response, Regards Tom
  22. BS9999 occupancy calculations

    Thank you Tom and Anthony... Would you recommend I use the DCLG Guides instead?
  23. I have receive notification from my housing association that they are going to remove the stair lifts from all of their communal properties that are fitted with a stair case width of less than 1 meter. This is going to cause a lot of hardship for tenants with mobility problems. The reason for the removal of the stair lifts is because it is a fire safety hazard and will cause an obstruction in the event of a fire. My question is yes in a perfect world staircases should have no obstructions at all but in reality this is very difficult, is there a new regulation that now enforces the removal of stair lifts since the Grenfall Tower tragedy which the housing associations are mentioning is the reason for their decision?
  24. Plywood boards in riser cupboard

    There is no problem in using flammable material in the inside of a protected shaft, in most situation there will be, however if they are ignited then any fire should not be able to pass to the outside of the shaft and in this situation the brick wall will achieve that.
  25. Hi, According to EN 1634-1:2014, the furnace temperature will reach 1000 degrees Celsius after 60 minutes, if melting point of brass is 900 degrees Celsius how cylinders are supposed to maintain its integrity during the test? Many European third party labs will require that doors during the test to have double cylinder in order to achieve successful EI90 or EI180 doors. Anybody has a solution to this problem?
  26. Hi I wonder if someone can help. We have a riser cupboard which is a solid brick shaft running through all storeys within the building. Necessary fire stopping has been done however part of the riser is cladded with plywood, I understand that this area should provide 30mins of fire resistance. Is it ok to have it lined with Plywood with the solid brick wall being in place behind this? Thanks for your help
  27. FRA

    Many thanks Tom , makes sense now !!!
  28. To add to AB submission check out FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing and A Guide to Choosing a Competent Fire Risk Assessor for further guidance.
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