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  2. As stated there would be no requirement to carry out a FRA as the Fire Safety Order does not apply. The Housing Act 2004 does apply however from what you say if you check what you have provided against the LACORS guidance Tom has linked above you are more than likely to have met the basic fire safety requirements under this legislation. Also even if you had been required to carry out an FRA you appear to fall below the threshold for recording it so there would be nothing to give them anyway!
  3. I'm surprised to hear that there are not legal barriers to reentering the building. I assumed that in most instances civilians would be barred from carrying out acts like that so that the professional emergency responders can tackle it efficiently. I might be wrong in this assumption though
  4. FD20 doors

    There are errors in what you are saying but people on here have a vested interest in their response. 1 fire doors never fail in testing due to gaps at the bottom. They always fail at the top. Indeed if you read fire brigades reports there is always up to 100 mm of clear air at the bottom of a room in a fire. Under door gaps started being asked about so people started testing with a 10mm gap. Nobody knows if 20mm is ok but I believe it would be. 2 building regs clearly states hinges just have to be all metal construction to hold a fire door in fire situation. The CE marking is just again what the door manufacturer tests with before CE they would just be metal hinged so there is historically loads of evidence that a metal hinged is fine. Indeed once the intumescent goes of it will hold the door in place not the hinge. 3 you clearly have intumescent fitted in the frames it may look badly fitted but when it expands what you have is fine. 4 as for 20 minutes tests manufacturer s do do them for big developers and even some developers do them themselves. I have seen a 35mm door with no intumescent pass a 20min fire test. (Barratt s hold the test certificate on a vicaima door.) Our fire regs testing has gone on for years and years so there is loads of evidence out there for different things it does not all rely on the manufacturer test evidence. Sometimes an expert has to weigh it all up.
  5. The owners or those acting for the owners (Management Company) are the Responsible Person as defined by The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 but because there are no common areas the regulations do not apply. However you could check the FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing which is the guidance for your type of premises and see if it conforms, for your own peace of mind. Domestic Premises are exempt from the regulations and domestic premises is defined as ""domestic premises" means premises occupied as a private dwelling (including any garden, yard, garage, outhouse, or other appurtenance of such premises which is not used in common by the occupants of more than one such dwelling);
  6. Victorian conversion 3 flats

    The owners/landlord or the management company are the Responsible Person as defined by The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. They have a duty to conduct a fire risk assessment (FRA) under the regulations and act on the findings. They certainly have a duty to carry out the significant findings of the FRA, which you have detailed above, but how it is paid for is a matter for the tenant agreement. The guide for the FRA would be FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing which would have been used by the fire risk assessor, which shows what is required to meet the required standard of the regulations.
  7. Smoke alarms in self-contained flats

    Thanks for getting back to me on that Tom - appreciated!
  8. I'm hoping you can help... We converted a property above a commercial premises into 3 x 2bed flats about 6 years ago and leased all of them to the housing association. All the flats were specifically converted in compliance with building regulations and the housing associations conversion brief. They all have their own private entrance (no communal areas), internal fire check doors, smoke alarms connected to mains, heat alarm and carbon monoxide alarms, new double glazing., new roof.. in fact all 3 flats were brand new (unfurnished) when handed over to the housing association. However, in light if the Grenfel Towers fire, the housing association have written to us asking for FRA... I don't know if this is just a standard letter going out to all the landlords or specific to our property. But as a landlord, are we required to carry out the FRA even though we have nothing to do with their tenants or maintenance? There are no communal areas and each flat has its own private entrance?
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  10. We have recently taken on a management company which specialises more in block management. We have just had a fire risk assessment done is it compulsory ? Also they want us to put up no smoking signs and clear items in the hallway I live at the top so items left outside my door/ staircase are not in anybody's way also they are insisting we fit fire doors . What can they insist we do ? as we feel they are looking for excuses to charge us fees . Where can I find what the rules are for conversions .
  11. Can I connect an exit sign to power cord?

    What do they say about the USA and UK, two nations separated by a common language, in the UK we have live, neutral and earth, I could make guesses on your terminology, but not prepared to, you need to speak to an electrician over there.
  12. I am afraid not, the boiler is located in an escape route and needs to be a FD30s door which needs to control smoke and a intumescent fire grill would totally defeat this purpose. You will need to look for ventilation from the outside.
  13. FD20 doors

    You could contact the fire door inspection service at http://fdis.co.uk/ and have an inspection which will provide a written report which you could use to appeal against the building control decision. You also check out the https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200128/building_control to see if there is any help there.
  14. Are door mats outside door a fire risk?

    A door mat IMO cannot be described as upholstered furniture or furnishings so it would not fall under the Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the home and a FRA in the common areas falls clearly under The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005
  15. Smoke alarms in self-contained flats

    You correct I should have said they are HMO's but not licensed HMO's.
  16. FD20 doors

    The Building Regulations are clear. Performance of Fire Doors should be in accordance with the tests BS 476-22 or BS EN 1634-1 and the Building Regulations also state that the test evidence applies to the 'complete installed assembly'. Therefore the fire door installed at your house should be compliant with the relevant fire performance test for that particular door leaf. The door leaf manufacturer will be able to provide a data sheet showing the installation requirements including all ironmongery, intumescent seals and fire stopping around the frame at its junction with the supporting wall. Only doors installed in compliance with the fire performance test evidence are acceptable. If the fire door is not installed in this way, what evidence is there that it will provide the required fire separation performance?
  17. Acetylene storage

    This hub links to various guidance on the subject: http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/acetylene.htm
  18. Hi Martin, yes it is, just email service@safelincs.co.uk Harry
  19. Acetylene storage

    Hi Do all acetylene bottles need to be stored in a locked cage away from the building when not in use? If so where is the guidance for this? We only have 1 small oxy/acetylene setup, will this need to be caged off outside when not in use e.g night time? Thanks
  20. Smoke alarms in self-contained flats

    Thanks Tom. Yes, each flat has its own private entrance from the street and there are no common areas. I was under the impression that a single storey 3 bedroom flat where the occupiers are only friends and not family, forms an HMO albeit an HMO not requiring licencing. It would be really useful if could you please let me know why you write it is not an HMO. Good to read you mention The Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm (England) Regulations 2015. It already conforms to those requirements and I have a CO detector although no solid fuel burner as there is gas central heating and I think it is sensible to have a CO detector in that case. Thanks again and any more info much appreciated.
  21. The fact of the matter is John, That the manufacturers, sellers and importers of door mats can get sued if you trip over them so they now produce mats that are non-slip non-trip especially the welcome mats that you can buy. Also in the fire regulations 1988 all domestic furnishings have to be fire retardant which includes door mats. I believe the council are using very old regulations about 30 years old in older to get their point across. Regards MikeW
  22. FD20 doors

    The issue I am having is this as it stands I do not believe the fire doors installed in my property are indeed fire doors, because of their standard of installation. I live in town house, with a floor above 4.5m and therefore it is a requirement for the house to have a compartmentalised staircase to provide a safe escape route in the event of a fire. The building control requirements are for an FD20 door, but no FD20 doors exist as it is impossible to test to. The doors installed are therefore FD30 door leafs, this has been confirmed by the confirmation of a BWF certificate on the top of the leaf and confirmation from Premdor. However this is where I believe, and have had confirmed by numerous other industry professionals, that compliance with Building Regulations ends. The manufacturers certificate stipulates the way in which the door has been tested and how it must be installed to work as a fire door. It gives very similar information to the BWF's own guidance. I did the 5 step check on the doors and this is a summary of what I found: Four of my door leafs do indeed have a certificate, One of the doors has a damaged certificate, therefore inline with the BWF guidance and Premdors Certification and Guarantee this door does not comply and can not be used as a fire door. The gaps to the undersides of my doors are close to if not in excess of the 10mm maximum allowance for doors. In fact my Kitchen door is actually 20mm. This exceeds the manufacturer's allowance and the BWF's and building regulations. The doors as installed are certified as fire doors on the basis that an intumescent strip is installed. This is because, as the manufacturer's certificate states, they have been tested as fire doors with an intumescent strip and are therefore required to have one. The intumescent strips installed are faulty, loose or missing and therefore do comply with the manufacturer's certificate and therefore are not compliant as the manufacturers certificate relies on these being in place. The hinges, to comply with the BWF certificate the manufacturers guidelines and the british standards, need to be CE marked to comply with all of the aforementioned. The hinges as installed do not have CE marks, there is no proof of one and such they do not comply and therefore are not fire doors. The doors also, as part of the manufacturer's certificates, need to be sealed. None of the doors are sealed fully and therefore do not comply. Building control are insisting that the doors do not have to be installed in this manner, and that it is only reasonable provision that needs to be provided, yet there is no proof that the doors will satisfy an FD20 rating because it is impossible to test or prove, it has only ever been proven as a fire door as tested. Building control are also insisting that as long the door hinges are not aluminium they will sign them off and that the CE marks are a trading standards issue. As I understand it hinges used on fire doors are covered by a harmonised European standard (hEN) and british standard which states they have to be proven to be fire resistant and therefore must be CE marked to prove this, this is written into law. No fire door hinges can be sold on the european market without a CE mark and yet building control are insisting that it's not a requirement and as long as they aren't aluminium they don't care. They also are adamant a gap greater than 20mm under my kitchen door is acceptable and that the gaps around the other doors satisfy as well. They also aren't concerned by the damage behind the hinges where one door is split and gaps are present. My concern is this, the doors as they stand, do not meet any level of standard set out by the BWF or any manufacturer or fire safety site, they do not comply with european or british law (hinges primarily) and the only people saying they are fine are those from building control who have also been paid to provide LABC warranties on the property. They have also told me in an email that they will be issuing a completion certificate once the external works (which were built level with my DPC) are corrected. Included is a link to an album showing the installation of the doors briefly. Thank you for any help https://photos.app.goo.gl/YnIRD2fV05ISpk7y1
  23. Hi hello, I am not looking to install this exit sign for actual commercial use, this is solely because I like exit signs and want to put one in my house. It is only residential, it does not need to be there. I was wondering, my sign has a neutral, positive and negative power wire. Could I take a regular three pronged extension cord (this is North America, not the UK) and cut off the end, strip it, and connect the two power cords and the grounding wire, then plug it into the wall? Thanks!
  24. Thank you for the reply. The boiler cupboard is in our hallway, quite close to the front door and at the bottom of the staircase... Our home survey advised that there was insufficient protection should a fire start in the boiler cupboard... however, our boiler service engineer advised there's insufficient ventilation for the boiler. To try and meet the best of both worlds, I thought a fire door with grill would offer the protection should a fire occur, yet also provide ventilation for when things haven't gone wrong.
  25. Warden or Marshal

    If that's how they want to define it then there is nothing to stop them, there's no right and wrong.
  26. Is the offer of free gap testers still available
  27. Warden or Marshal

    In my organisation, we use the term "Fire Controller" instead of Fire Warden. The person responsible for overseeing the evacuation is known as the "Fire Marshal"
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