Fire Doors and Accessories

Hi All, I just had a question about some of the night latches now on the market which seem to indicate they have been tested for FD30/60 doors. Two manufacturers that spring to mind are Arrone and Eurospec. When looking into the evidence for these claims I always find that the evidence isn't very robust as far as suitability for a door assembly. With no specific test evidence or even instructions for fitting to a fire door. No mention of a requirement for intumescent etc. Personally I would never install a night latch on a modern certified door assembly as there are simply much better products to be used. However when trying to do the best possible with a…

A multi-occupied office building comprising ground and 4 upper floors. Mostly three companies per upper floor and exiting into the lift lobby, and from there, the staircase enclosure. Some of the companies have glass doors - single or double. No intumescent strips or cold smoke seals are evident. No markings were found on the doors or glazing which indicates any fire resistance. Its quite possible that the individual company has fitted the entrance doorsets retrospectively as some of the other companies have a traditional wooden fire doorset - in a traditional wall. An 8mm gap exists in the centre of one set of doors. What does the panel think?

Evening, I have been asked to fit a new fire door in a dentist clinic. I am an experienced carpenter with over 20 years experience and have my fire qual in maintenance and installation. I am fully aware on how fit a fire door and to follow the fire door fire certification sheet. The door is located on the means of escape route and is a surgery room. It has multiple electrical items in there. My question is will this need to be a fd30s due to the above ?. It has a standard door at the moment which means it has no fire protection installed to the linear gap and the frame I can’t confirm its density so I would be changing that as well for a certificat…

Any advice on hinges? My employer has received a quote for circa £12k to clean or replace hinges on 36 doors due to leaks. I've had the maintenance tech clean the hinges and they look like new, fire doors are all shutting as expected. Do you think it is acceptable to monitor the doors over say the next few months to see if they remain leak free? The employer has not maintained the doors over the last 10 years or so so could the leaking oil be wear and poor maintenance as opposed to worn hinges?

Hi, On an FD120s fire door is a white material strip on closing/hinge side of leaf. The seal is not enclosed in plastic. Would this be intumescent? There are intumescent seals (in pvc casing) on frame along with batwing seals. I was just wondering could this be some kind of acoustic material but why is it on show where it could get damaged.

Hi there, I have noticed some comments online that certified hardware such as hinges are not required on fire doors and any plain hinges are suitable, I just want to clear this in my head. From what I understand, certificates like CF218 specify that hinges must be CE Marked according to EN1935 for use on 30-minute fire door assemblies. Doesn’t this make CE Marked hinges mandatory, rather than just a recommendation? Thank you.

Hi, I was wondering if you could please help. We live in a block of flats, where our front door is a 30-minute fire door. Unfortunately, the door has been damaged, so I am trying to get some guidance on what I need to do to repair or replace the fire door. I’ve been told that only a certified fire door specialist can make a call on whether the door can be repaired or needs to be replaced, as any damage caused to a fire door can compromise its integrity. So, as a fire door specialist, I thought I’d seek some advice from yourselves. Please can you advise if we are able to repair the door? And if so, can the work be carried out by anyone or does it need to be a certifi…

Hi all , just inspected a fire door and the gaps are in need of some adjustment . Top edge 3-5mm The hinge edge is 3-1mm Leading edge 3.5 but with a small dent above the lock at 6 mm. Now the area isn’t huge . Would you deed this as a fail ? I have suggested packing bottom hinge over to increase within the 2-4mm tolerance and help an issue on the head . Would you allow a small area to have a bigger gap . May even only be by 1-2mm bigger max 8mm in height ? I don’t want to suggest a new door nor do I want to risk safety .

We are an owner-occupier Residents' Management Company (RMC) of a four-flat Victorian townhouse built in 1895 and converted in the 1960s into Basement, Ground, First & Second floor flats. A recent Health, Safety, and Fire Risk Assessment failed the Ground, First & Second-floor flat entrance doors two of which have fanlights, one glazed and the other an opaque sheet material, and the following was sent out by the RMC. RE: FIRE SAFETY IN YOUR RESIDENCE — YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES Under current legislation, the RMC are responsible for fire-safety within the communal areas of the building. As a tenant however, you are responsible for managing fire safet…

Hi all, is there anyway you can tell a flat front door meets FD30S regs from an external assessment only? How confident would you be in your assessment?

Hi there, does anyone have any guidance for doors that are within a glass partition? We have two small kitchens in our office building where the wall with the entrance doors on are glass with integral blinds. The doors are just regular office doors with a small strip window, NOT fire doors. Our Fire Risk assessment highlighted these doors as needing combined intumescent strips/cold smoke seals and self- closing devices. On further discussion with the company, where I pointed out that the walls were NOT fire-rated glass, they agreed the intumescent strips/smoke seals were not required but still said we needed self-closing devices. Can anyone offer any information…

Are dust boxes on flat entry fire doors required on strike plates when rough timber rebates are exposed. Particularly nomunal doors

? Best practice for a FD with flush bolts that has seals like this. Do they need to be cut around I know their not continuous but do they need to be.

Good afternoon all, with regards to intumescent strips, I know they can be installed within the door frame or the door, but is it acceptable to have them in both, on the same door set, as I assume both will expand when subjected to heat. also what if the strip was missing from either the door or the frame, would it then be acceptable just to fit a strip where it is missing or would the door set require replacing. Many thanks.

Can anyone confirm when the BWF coloured plug scheme was introduced on fire doors? I understand the BWF was founded in 1976 so presumably the plugs were introduced some time thereafter. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Hello all, I've always found myself on this forum when I have questions surrounding fire doors so I thought I'd join the community and sign up to be a part of the knowledge sharing and hopefully better my understanding of this industry. My question today is surrounding magnetic locks, and the one in question I will attach photos of, albeit not very good quality as it's been pulled from a survey. Without any extra information on the doorsets, the survey says it should be removed and a repair technique to fix the void should be used. My question then is, why has the surveyor said it needs removing and repairing, and I'm not sure there is a repair techniq…

Hi Folk's , I was recently on a project (not inspecting) and I noticed the fire door keep shut/locked signs had been routed into the edge rather a sign fixed to the door face . How do you feel this applies document B and M ? Advice would be much appreciated THANKS

Hi All, We have fire doors fitted to the following rooms in the property, they are quite old and we'd like to update them with new fire doors: Living room - existing fire door fitted, due to be replaced Front bedroom - existing fire door fitted, due to be replaced Master bedroom - existing fire door, due to be replaced Main entrance door - existing fire door, not being replaced I'm getting conflicting information regarding the bathroom doors. Does the main bathroom and the en-suite require fire doors? Regarding the kitchen, this has never had a door since owning the property, I assume the previous owners removed because of lack of sp…

Hi all, were undertaking some upgrade/repair works to 30 minute flat entrance doors. We've had an inspector do an informal pre inspection of a few of them before commissioning a full report and he's raised a couple of points that I wanted to run by the collective. - Pin holes from where an old draught brush strip had been fitted/redundant screw holes from where the old closer was fitted need filling. I was planning on using Envirografs intumescent wood filler product number 64. Never used it before, sounds like the product for the job, anyone got any experience with it or alternatives? - Chip in bottom of door. A small section no bigger than a thumbnail (2-3mm d…

I need to fit new intumescent seals to an existing fire door. there are already channels in the existing frame but they have never been used. They have now been painted a few times and would need routing again before the intumescent seals would fit. The company I have approached to install new seals has said it would be easier to route and fit them into the doors. Would the existing channels in the frame need to be filled in or could they be left as they are? Presumably the intumescent seal would fill the space in the frame when they expand.

Fire door installed 2011 comes with full paperwork stating FD 30/60 and has upvc frame fully steel reinforced and intumescent strips. Does this still comply with latest regulations.?.

Hi We are installing door closers on fire doors separating offices from the main escape routes to stop fires in offices spread to passages. So the risk side is mainly in office. Should the door closer body be on the inside or outside of the fire door? Thanks

Hi All, I need assistance determining whether our front door, located on the ground floor of a courtyard with a gate in a block of flats, is fire-rated. Please see attached. The frame is timber all around, glass is double-glazed with bs marks on it. VELFAC RIBO A2 20715-5740 1118 189745213-6 Apologies for the quality of the pictures.

Hello, Had a question asked to me regarding adding smoke/intumescent seals to already fitted fire doors. These fire doors don't have any seals currently fitted and need to be brought up to standard. What would be the case for the best way to do this? Just cut grooves into the fitted doors and install the appropriate seals whether FD30 or 60 and reinstall? Also what would be the best way to fix the seals. I've seen some recently that don't look too good, some have been nailed in, some have been stuck in with weak glue and the strips are popping out. So wanted to know best procedure for now on. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks, J…

Hi all, looking at doing some upgrades to existing 'Nominal' fire doors that are flat entrance doors. Been looking at metal thresholds that have intumescent brush strips in them, a little bit concerned that the brushes will get worn down really quickly and require constant replacement. Has anybody used them/got any feedback on their durability/suitability Thanks, Richard