Fire Doors and Accessories

In BS 8214 2016 none of the diagrams show dot and dab plasterboard as to where the sealing should be - i.e should capping seals be covering the gap in blockwork upto a door lining and brought to the face of the plasterboard closing off the void to the rear of the pasterboard as well? Or if joints to a lining and blockwork are tight, should that joint be opened up to min 5mm to place a capping seal here?

We have a 3rd floor flat in a six story block and we have recently had a fire door inspection carried out by Tetra consulting. Pretty much all the 183 flats in the block failed the survey on a number of points, some of which are a bit contentious. Can anyone provide some information of the following as I am finding it pretty much impossible to get a sensible answer from Tetra. The flats were built in 2003 1. Hinges are not CE/UKCA marked. The flats were constructed in 2003, my understanding is that CE/UKCA marking was not required at that time, therefore as long as the hinges are in good condition and suitable for the weight of the door, they shouldn't need to b…

Hi I wonder if i can get some guidance on a issue that has cropped up . I purchased a 3 story 4 bed detached new build house last year , i believe it was built in 2022 and was the show house for the site so remained empty , it has habitable rooms on each floor with stairs down the middle of the house to the front door . I had a snag list done and the report flagged up the following points and he was curious to know how it got signed off, the developer doesnt agree with them and im having difficulty getting them rectified or knowing where to go to get them sorted at no expense to myself. All doors are FD30 1…

Around a Hospital are restricted areas, the doors are fire doors and controlled by a swipe card to pass in one direction. To pass in the other direction is a push button. In an emergency, there is no way to pass through the fire door to a fire exit unless you have a swipe card. On the other side of the door where the push button is to allow people to pass through, is a Green Break glass unit. To me, the Green Break Glass is on the wrong side, it should be on the same side as the swipe card. I said above in an emergency, I did not mention the fire alarm. These doors may go to unlock in the event of the fire alarm going off but what if it has not bee…

Looking to find a solution of where to rout and install cold and smoke seals on this rebated server room fire door if anyone could suggest? Thanks

I’d be very grateful for some advice re above topic. Victorian house converted to five self-contained flats in early eighties. One single fire escape route being the communal stair. “Get out, stay out” policy in place. Grade A, LD 1 fire alarm system is recommended and we’re in starting s20 process to get installed. The “snagging” issue is the small electricity cupboard on the ground floor of the communal hallway. There is no alarm in the electric cupboard nor has it been proposed for the alarm upgrade. It was “retrofitted” in 2017/2018 at a cost of c£1000, on advice of Combined Fire &H&S report, with additional fire resistant material on back of …

We are required to fill the gap between the inner and outer door frame , the inner door frame being part of the fire-rated door system , the outer being a timber frame around the opening in the concrete or brickwork which are installed by the builder. Shop drawings show maximum gap allowed as 10mm and intumescent foam literature says to apply between 10mm to 20mm . No problem with that . the problem is that sometimes we have gaps of 3 to 5mm and we cant get the intumescent foam into such a tight gap . Are we still required to fill these narrow gaps even though they are behind the architrave ? Some are saying if the gap is narrow and is filled …

Hi Everyone, Reading through the various different legislation, and have become stumped. We have student housing - over 11 metres in height, whereby a Flat Door then has a cluster of 4 separate bedrooms inside. Currently, each individual bedroom door is being checked annually by a Fire Door professional in addition to the Flat Entrance Door and Communal doors. My query is - do the internal bedroom doors really need a professional annual check or can these just form part of the checks maintenance staff? The cost is becoming quite significant Thanks in advance,

Hi, I was wondering if you have a certified FD30 fire door and replace the intumescent strips with combined intumescent smoke strips (essentially upgrading the fire door to a smoke door), does this negate the certification of the door or does it simply become a certified FD30S door?

Hello. I am one of the directors for a Right to Manage company for a development of twelve apartments. A recent fire door inspection was arranged by our managing agent, which identified that the existing entrance doors to individual flats (not street-facing) were inadequate. I believe these doors, installed by the developer some years ago, are FD30 rated but the report stated that as they were panelled then at their thinnest points - i.e. where the decorative panels had been routed out - the thickness is less than the required 44mm. I am led to believe that this specific requirement has come about after the changes implemented following the Grenfell inciden…

I have recently carried out a fire door inspection on a building. I have found that a fair percentage of them have bowed or twisted to varying degrees. Could anyone twell me what the maximum permitted bow or twist is? On some of the unequal pairs, the step between the two is up to 6mm at the bottom and I have failed them as a result, but some are only 3-4mm and I am on the fence on what I should do with them.

Hi guys, When checking a fire door with a one inch rebate around the frame, where am I measuring the gap between the door and the frame? From the inside, the gap above and side of the door is in excess of the 4mm but there is a less than 1mm gap between the door and the rebate on the other side so the door is effectively entirely sealed and im not sure how smoke could pass through. So, for fire doors with one inch rebates around the tops and sides, am I checking the door gaps between the door and frame or the door and the rebates? Cheers in advance

Could anyone point me in the right direction here please? A 1970s block of (6) flats over three floors. All six residents share the freehold and pay a service charge to the company they part own A FRA has determined that front doors on five flats need upgrading to reach nominal status and the 6th flat needs a new fire doorset The lease is unclear as who owns (pays for) the front door, as when it defines the demise, it mentions the walls of the common parts but not the doors There is an assumption that it will be cheaper to upgrade the doors (a third hinge, plus strips & seals) than it will be to replace the door and frame in the 6th flat The …

Hi, Does anyone have any guidance on what sealant/foam/etc to use to fire stop around steel doorsets, there is no evidence of any fire stopping at the moment. The clients don’t have any information on the original manufacturers and installers. I’m considering purchasing BS EN 15269-2:2024 has anyone else got this is it worth it? Thank you

I have been researching fire doors and find the guidance a little difficult to pin down for converted flats. It seems more black and white for purpose built flats as it is clearly outlined in the guidance, even then some assessors and fire door surveyors would recommend upgrading all doors with intumescent and smoke seals where the guidance suggests it is acceptable to retain notional FD30 without upgrades providing they self close, fit suitably in their frames and remain in good condition. Lacors suggests in all cases flat entrance doors that open onto the escape route should be FD30S, I assume this also includes upgraded FD30S, but this is not mentioned. …

Evening all, Looking for suggestions on identifying the manufacturer of the door sets in the attached link: https://postimg.cc/gallery/dd3dzw9 These are installed across a site, but no documentation is held locally. BM TRADA coloured plugs are fitted to the top of the doors, but the numbers are unreadable. Label has been routered through, making it illegible. My main concern is the installation of the top infill panels: Panels are flush to one face of the frame, with approx. 3–4mm gaps around the perimeter. Beading has only been installed on one side. Panels appear to be screwed through the frame into the panel — likely done prior t…

The seems no systematic/designed solution ,to stop smoke passing through most fire-rated door hinges: between the leaves; through the spaces between the leafs and the knuckle (see white wire in .jpg below); around the knuckle. I can't find a fire-rated smoke seal for hinges and can only imagine a fire-rated adhesive foam - similar to a window draught excluder strip. BTW please, how far should the knuckle or its pin best be positioned from the jambs?

Have just moved into a rented property that has an internal front fire door with intumescent strips. I am discussing with the landlord with a view to increasing top of door frame to allow standard single bed to fit due to the very sharp angle to get up flight of stairs. Door height at lowest point is 1950mm whereas the bed stands upright at 1990mm. The perhaps most contentious point is whether the fire door needs to be replaced entirely with new hinges to take up the new height or if a joiner can cut/add fire door to it and re-insert intumescent strips around new piece. Also I believe the existing door is not certified any more when first inst…

Hi. I know that internal doors within flats should meet FD20 min standard and should be shut during the night. However, if said doors have glass panels above them for borrowed light, should the glass be fire rated. Cheers Graham.

Hey there, have a large gap over 4mm between door frame and beginning of where drop down fire door seal starts. Can I use fire mastic to seal it? Or should I look at other options? Thanks, Steph

Hi For fire doors, the building regulations state an equal gap of a minimum 2mm gap and a maximum 4mm gap between the fire door leaf and frame. Is this just a guideline or is this the law and needs to be strictly adhered to, and if the fire doors' gaps are less then this minimum amount or more than this maximum amount are they considered illegal in the eyes of the law and will need correcting? When I've used a fire door gap tester I found that all the fire doors I checked were below and above these minimum and maximum gap tolerances. I've been given conflicting information on this. Some say this is the law and is strictly needed to be adhered to …

Has anyone come across a intastop hinge? It’s a continuous hinge that has been tested to BS 476-20/22 but just wanted to know if it can be used on a door that’s had normal ball bearing hinges installed?

Hi ..are fire doors with concealed intumescent strip ( fitted under hardwood lipping ) still available/used and or compliant?

Hi we have had a FD60 installed in a softwood frame. The frame also has a side panel. The drawing states the door should be an FD30S. If the door is rated higher is this an issue? Also the fire seals cut on the frame are not central it looks like someone has cut them to upgrade to be fire rated. Would a new door set be required?

We have a couple of door sets in our building that I think are not compliant but would like to know if they can repaired. The first doorset had the door opening into the room but got turned around to open outwards. The frame now has an intumescent/smoke seal on the frame with the brush removed and painted over and the seals has now been put in the door. Should this be left or removed?. What is a repair technique for this? The second doorset it looks as though someone has planed it slightly. Would this cause an issue with the frame ? Thank you in advance.