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  1. As stated there would be no requirement to carry out a FRA as the Fire Safety Order does not apply. The Housing Act 2004 does apply however from what you say if you check what you have provided against the LACORS guidance Tom has linked above you are more than likely to have met the basic fire safety requirements under this legislation. Also even if you had been required to carry out an FRA you appear to fall below the threshold for recording it so there would be nothing to give them anyway!
  2. Acetylene storage

    This hub links to various guidance on the subject: http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/acetylene.htm
  3. Warden or Marshal

    If that's how they want to define it then there is nothing to stop them, there's no right and wrong.
  4. Boiler and server rooms

    Not automatically no. Most premises have detection over and above what is legally needed for life safety with most buildings actually only requiring manual call points. Where detection is required for life safety it normally has to be tiered with each tier including the cover of a previous tier. You start at L4 covering escape routes only, then go to L3 which is L4 (escape routes) with the addition of cover to rooms opening onto them . The next tier is L2 which is L3 cover (escape rooms plus rooms adjoining) plus defined high risk areas. These areas are specific to a particular building & risks, so in some premises an L2 system would include the boiler room and in others it wouldn't. The top tier is L1 which is coverage to virtually everywhere in a building. A lot of detection is for property protection (known as P systems) and this is often why areas such as server rooms are covered - their location is such that a fire here wouldn't be a life safety risk without the earlier detection (as a person or an escape route detector would catch the fire before it was such a risk) but any delay would be damaging to business continuity. You could say the same for a boiler room, which being an area of special fire risk would often have enhanced structural fire protection such that a fire would be contained such as not to threaten life, but totally destroyed boilers are expensive to replace and may affect the ability to comfortably use the premises. The various sector specific fire safety guides on the gov.uk website, plus the fire alarm standard BS5839-1 give pointers for existing buildings. BS5839-1, along with Approved Document B to the Building Regulations and BS9999 give guidance for the design of new builds. So in summary it's not always a must (especially for servers). A lot depends on the layout and usage of the premises - a traditionally built office would usually need neither covered, a care home would need both, an office using a fire engineered solution to deviate from traditional building regulations guidance would also usually need both - it's all down to risk assessment. (There is an L5 type of coverage which is for a specific risk or fire safety purpose and can involve anything from a single detector to hundreds, but I didn't weant to complicate things for you!)
  5. Fire Doors in Heritage Buildings

    Heritage doors are normally allowed to be upgraded in situ to increase fire resistance and sealing with various papers, paints, varnishes and surface seals where in other buildings new FD30S doors would be used.This is of course after risk assessment and usually coupled with other mitigation such as automatic detection. However a door needs to shut flush in frame to be effective and so unless there was suitable mitigation you would expect the doors to be positively self closing and latching
  6. Warden or Marshal

    The names are interchangeably as they are essentially the same role. Usually the person in charge of overall coordination at an assembly point is known as an Evacuation Controller, Incident Coordinator, Roll Call Coordinator, etc. At the end of the day the terms are not legally defined and an organisation can use what terms they like. In the US a fire warden/marshal is sometimes called a floor warden for example.
  7. The system does not comply with BS5266 by not operating on local circuit failure (assuming the fittings are non maintained) and both the FRA and H&SRA should consider the risks from this and determine how important it is to resolve. Where EL is not connected to local circuits rather than rewiring changing the fittings to maintained overcomes this, or in this case replace the inverter with self contained fittings on the local circuit. Whether this is needed to be done as one big job or as a gradual upgrade will be determined by the risk assessments.
  8. Unfortunately Building Control, private and public, have a habit of passing unsatisfactory premises, after all there is no real sanction against them (unlike for the duty holder and their competent person under the Fire Safety Order). A piece of paper doesn't change the fact that physically the doors are wrong - it's how they are mitigated is the issue. Now technically they should have been FD30S doors and the aspiration should be to make them so. However the guidance (linked by Tom above) allows a sympathetic approach for existing situations and from the number of flats I'm guessing that they are only a couple of storeys high. The guidance in this case would allow notional fire doors, but this refers to 1960's/70's style fire doors that are of a suitable material and thickness but use 25mm stops instead of intumescent seals and smoke brushes - your doors sound like they are not even notional doors. The next step up from this is 'upgraded' FD30S doors. This usually means adding appropriate seals and closers to notional FD30 doors, but in your case it would be more akin to the 'Acts' upgrades of non fire doors in the 60's and 70's where the door leaf itself needs uprating - this was usually done with Asbestolux or Superlux boards affixed to the risk side - in heritage premises a similar upgrade is done with intumescent paints and papers. You need to cost both upgrade and replacement and weigh up the pros and cons. Upgrading may be cheaper (but not always by a lot depending on the amount of works required) but depending on the method used may not be aesthetic and is not going to offer the same assurance as a factory built third party accredited new door set. Replacement will be costly, but aesthetic (there are some very decorative looking fire doors these days) and guaranteed to perform (if correctly installed)
  9. They require an extended service at 5 years and most manufacturer's warranties (where they exist) usually expire at this point too. With powder extinguishers, especially small ones it's often cheaper to simply replace. If they haven't ever been annual serviced even better to replace.
  10. That to my interpretation relates to transport units that are used to carry ADR goods but are unloaded - it only needs it's 2kg cab extinguisher & wouldn't be in breach of the regs if it didn't have it's load extinguishers, not to require every single van in the country to have an extinguisher. If ADR doesn't apply to a vehicle in any way (as oppose to a small load exemption) then the extinguisher requirement doesn't either. One of the reasons many of the big parcel companies refuse to take dangerous goods is so they don't have to bother with the ADR requirements.
  11. In theory, but the roof would probably be required to be fire resistant & possibly some of the windows
  12. I'd refuse to pay based on that, I bet if asked to provide a report from a specialist fire door contractor they'd soon back down
  13. Borrowed Lighting

    Your points are valid and why every revision of BS5266 reduces the acceptance of borrowed lighting more & more and if you have an escape route and open area that at any time of use would require you to switch the electrical lighting on there is a good chance you will need emergency lighting.
  14. Escape Lighting Not Required in 2-Storey Flats

    It is usually in reference to purpose built blocks of flats consisting of two communal floors - e.g. ground floor with flats off it and first floor with flats off it; or where the ground floor is a separate car park level a first floor with flats off and a second with flats off. Maisonettes are what is now termed as Duplex flats where each flat has two floors with it's own internal staircase. Building Regulation compliance isn't a 100% guarantee of Fire Safety compliance and the current guidance for purpose built flats recommends that EL should be considered even in 2 storey blocks- after all the risks from a dark stairway don't vanish just because it's a single flight....
  15. Your points are valid and why every revision of BS5266 reduces the acceptance of borrowed lighting more & more and if you have an escape route and open area that at any time of use would require you to switch the electrical lighting on there is a good chance you will need emergency lighting.
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