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  1. Thank you AnthonyB & Harry for your thoughts - I will stand by my original thoughts and tell them it is in their best interest to have them commissioned (by a competent person)...
  2. Thank you both so far for your comments... My thoughts as a novice are why would you not want to commission the fire extinguishers to help evidence compliance with the FSO 2005? I'm looking at articles 17 & 18 in particular, but can probably drag in a few more if needed... If the Fire Alarm and Emergency Lighting systems (as well as others) need to be commissioned, then surely the extinguishers do too? Or am I looking at this from the wrong angle? Also, most clients will never remember to make sure the extinguishers are checked each year if there are no labels to remind them...
  3. Please can I has some advice...client has purchased 50 x Water and 50 x CO2 extinguishers from the internet. All are BS EN 3 labeled. But, he has hung them himself without professional commissioning. Now, he has called his regular FRA man who is ex-Fire Service who has advised (in writing) that whilst BS5306 Part 8 says that they should be commissioned first, it doesn't say they must and they will be acceptable for the first year without needing to be professionally checked and certificated?? Has anyone ever heard of this before? The client is now thinking the other FR Assessor is the best thing ever because he's saving him £'s by not having to commission all these extinguishers!! Any help / back-up to justify why they should be inspected would be much appreciated.
  4. Please can I ask anyone for their thoughts on this one please...?New warehouse has been constructed; approx 500msq footprint. Sub-divided for storage (vertical / high racking); offices; kitchenette; plant room (on mezzanine).Warehouse / storage area is separated with brick wall from floor to apex of roof.But separation between warehouse / storage area and Plant room on mezzanine is stud wall with plasterboard. But, only one side (which is the warehouse side) has plasterboard lining - the Plant Room side is exposed studwork??Should not both sides be plaster boarded (and taped and sealed gaps??) to protect the stud work completely?I've attached photo taken from the Plant room side to help show what I am waffling on about!!Any guidance / help always appreciated.
  5. We're trying to work out what a safe number is for our call centre - BS9999 / ADB Vol 2 show 6m / person for Offices (as a guide)...But, we have introduced smaller desks (1200mm x 800mm) as opposed to the original desks in the office space.Is there a specific guide for calculating the occupancy capacity for 'call centre' environments?? As always, any guidance always very much appreciated!
  6. Hi, not strictly FRA query, but more to do with Building Regs. In particular, what is allowable materials for external walls. Situation is a new build - small offices of two storeys where the total height of building is <18m. Approx. 150msq footprint so fairly small. Building is positioned between two existing buildings (steel portal framed commercial units with steel cladding on external walls). The distances between the new build and the adjoining units is >1000mm (more like 3m-4m). The external walls (all) of the new offices have timber cladding. It was confirmed that the timber has not been treated for fire resistance. Looking at ADB Vol (I've attached diagram I am looking at) am I right in thinking that it is acceptable to have combustible lining on the external walls as the premises are <18m high, and more than 1000mm from adjacent buildings / boundary?? Any help / advice always appreciated!!
  7. Thank you Tom - that makes things a lot cleared.
  8. Hi, sorry to trouble you but can we ask your advice on a fire call point query we have please? We have a large(ish) room (25m x 12m) which is used for places of assembly (village hall). The room adjoins other rooms which then have fire / emergency exit doors. Do we need to have call points adjacent to the doors which leave the big room, or can we have just call points next to the final exits in the other rooms?? I’ve looked up on Google and we’re confused as it says 45m distance is acceptable for a ‘defined’ route, but only 30m for an ‘undefined’ route….but we don’t understand what the difference is between these two types of routes?!! Any help / advice would be much appreciated!
  9. Excellent - thank you both for your replies. Much appreciated.
  10. Hi - we're after a bit of advice please... A room in a large college (built circa 1800's) is going to be used for large assemblies including those who may not be familiar with building layout. Floor space is 320M2, and has 2 opposite means of escape each taking occupants to a protected stairway which both discharge directly to fresh air. But both doorways are only 870mm...so when discounting one of them, the numbers reduce dramatically so the width of the doorway is being used for the capacity calculations. Now, the debate is whether we use BS9999 or DCLG guides? If we use BS9999 the width per person (for a B2 category occupancy) is 4.1mm which gives us a figure of approximately 200. But the DCLG guide would suggest that for a door width of 870mm would only be suitable for 100 occupants...?? We've asked the local Fire Service and they've said to use BS9999 (but have said they won't put this in writing). Another consultant we've approached has said that DCLG uses Building Regulations ADB as its guide and we shouldn't be using that either. Please can anyone help us by telling us what guide we should be using??? We will comply with whatever guide we need but just want to get things right and safe!!
  11. That's a brilliant help - thank you Anthony.
  12. Hi Can we ask your advice - we have an office block (ground, first and second floors). Each floor is approx. 360M2. Two protected stairways - each have 2 x FD30s lobby approaches. Question is; do we need FEA's inside each protected stairway at each landing in addition to them being inside (adjacent to) each fire exit door in the office accommodation area?? At present, we have 1 x 13A Water Mist and 1 x 2KG FEA on brackets in the office accommodation area adjacent to the exit doors. Our thinking was that the fire risk is in the office area so if staff have to travel in to the stairway to collect the FEA's, they will then have to return in to the office accommodation to tackle the flames...which is madness in our mind! BUT, the Fire Extinguisher company says we do HAVE to position additional extinguishers inside the stairway too...but BS5306-8 appears to show that as long as we have 2 x 13A on each level (plus CO2), we are fine?? So why should we have to have FEA's inside the office accommodation and then double up with exactly the same in the stairway itself?? We have ordered a 5KG CO2 extinguisher for the 415V electricity cupboard too. Any help/guidance much appreciated. Thank you.
  13. Sorry - silly question time... This is a specific case; but is also a general question as to whether internal stairs must be protected if there is also a second means of escape being an external stair. An existing building which is being converted from a residential accommodation (small block of flats) in to an office/admin block. There is ample room for an external stair to be fitted. Built 2008. Three storeys (ground, first and second) plus basement/cellar. 60-min fire separation between basement/cellar and ground floor. Footprint of each floor is approximately 10m x 12m. L3 alarm system / emergency escape lighting being installed. Risers will be enclosed within 30-min protection. Standard construction (brick, breeze block, concrete floors, flat roof). Occupancy levels will be approximately 10 per floor (none in basement/cellar which is used for plant room / electrics). The client wants a complete open plan design with an open internal staircase. Building Control will be involved - client is at drawings/plans stage at present. The glazing along the external stair with 30-minute glass which is sealed closed. The fire door from first floor leading to external stair will also be FD30 standard/ Question: I just want to double check; is the open plan internal stair acceptable as long as; A) External escape stair is fully protected along route B) Travel distances from any point in the first & second floor levels are acceptable (less than 18m in single direction to only protected means of escape) C) Occupancy levels from each floor are less than 60 I've been reading BS9999 & ADB which I think is relevant as this is a complete conversion of a building. Item 18.7 of BS9999 in particular. Or am I misunderstanding this and does the internal stair also have to be protected?? In view of low occupancy levels; I think that only 1 means of escape from each floor is acceptable as long as the travel distances are within 18m? In your experience(s), are there any other compensatory features the client could consider which may make an open internal stair acceptable?? Higher levels of AFD perhaps? Sprinklers?? Any help or guidance in right direction much appreciated!! Sorry - new query for me!
  14. Excellent - thank you again for your help.
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