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  1. No, it's an urban myth. The only reason why you might go for a 5kg for an electrical risk is if the size of the enclosure is such you need the larger volume of gas to flood it adequately.
  2. AnthonyB


    No, and if it was meant to be a smoke or fire detector it looks too flush to work. I've asked on a specialist forum & will get back to you if I find out more.
  3. No requirement at all, it's very odd that some chains are putting it in.
  4. If it is just general needs purpose built flats then there never has been (& still isn't) a need for a common fire detection system, despite people throwing these systems in willy nilly. If it is genuinely fit for stay put it would only need detection (no alarms) in the common parts if there was an automatic smoke control system fitted. Usually sounders and call points would be withdrawn leaving just the detection linked to the smoke control - if there is no smoke control the whole system is superfluous (& a service charge drain)and can go.0 HOWEVER - a full system as described along with a simultaneous evacuation policy (no stay put) is appropriate if: -The premises do not have adequate fire compartmentation and it is not realistic to provide it (often for very old flats pre 1960's), or -There is an unsuitable external cladding system in place and the system is a temporary measure until it is replaced. Whilst it does seem unnecessary I'd need to be at the site to be 100% (but I'm 99.9%)
  5. How wide is it? There could be issues with fire spread between buildings and the ability to navigate the external exit route.
  6. Then there are options open to you, your fire risk assessment would need to justify this but it's not impossible.
  7. https://www.riscauthority.co.uk/free-document-library/RISCAuthority-Library_detail.rc16b-recommendations-for-fire-safety-in-commercial-kitchens.html Aimed at the insurance/property protection side of things not life safety so goes beyond what is in Building Regulations and similar guidance which are only life safety oriented. It, not unsurprisingly, prefers enclosure but does reference mitigation measures for kitchens that aren't enclosed (mainly supression)
  8. They should, but it's not really a life safety risk (which is the point of the FRA) if they are a bit high so would be considered picky by many. It would never be an issue for enforcement officers who on an audit wouldn't blink twice at it.
  9. It's a sign of wear, particularly if there are flakes of metal in the oil, and most fire door inspectors will 'fail' the door and require renewal. If the doors are still functioning properly then the risk is less and it's more of a warning sign, but the door would need more regular ongoing checking to ensure the hinges haven't totally gone.
  10. Under Building Regulations they are not a place of special fire risk requiring enclosure, so can be in the same compartment as the dining area as long as the area has sufficient exits and, where necessary, protected routes, not going through or past the open kitchen. Whilst irritatingly not mandatory (like they are in the US) the provision of a fixed suppression system is also a common control measure for both open and closed kitchens.
  11. I'm happy to help more beyond the limits of free forum advice if you need - PM me through the forum if you need to.
  12. No, it depends on size. HMO's of one or two floors can be covered by a Grade D system of residential smoke & heat alarms. Bigger HMOs would be expected to have a Grade A (commercial equipment with panel, etc) common system and Grade D equipment to individual units.
  13. Hi, Signs - Can be any material, some places print their own off and laminate using signs creation software from the internet to get the colour and symbol right - Do not have to be photoluminescent (the mark up is horrendous, the photoluminescent extinguisher signs for example only cost them @ 70p) - New exit signs do have to include a directional arrow except where only trained and familiar staff are present and usually where the signs are supplementary (e.g. on a stair to indicate to keep going down). It's not retrospective of course, it's up to your fire risk assessment (which you shouldn't have done by the same people whose main business is selling extinguishers and signs) to determine if the risk provided by retaining the legacy signage is intolerable. Extinguishers - In many indoor environments it's absolutely correct to replace powder with other types (despite many companies still putting them in) but it's not across the board and the choice is a combination of both fire and health & safety risk assessment plus business continuity/property protection matters. An office, shop, public building, healthcare premises, etc wouldn't really be a good idea for many reasons, but more industrial areas, particularly large open areas with no public, can suit powder, especially if multi risk, where a flammable liquid spill is a risk and where the secondary damage issues are considered less an issue. If you were a warehouse with attached office block for example, I'd phase powder out of the office and kitchen if present, but may leave it in the warehouse as long as you accepted the damage risks (which depending on the materials and processes may not be high anyway) It's the FRA that drives your needs, not the supplier and maintainer and if you get a good risk assessor you use their report and get the maintenance firm to work to that, not you working to their 'advice' From what you are saying I've a good guess as to which group has taken over your old supplier and it's not uncommon to find you should move as you get hit by lots of recommendations that are 'law' and your servicing charge rockets as every little part used suddenly gets charged on top of the basic service fee. What part of the country are you (In case I can help further)?
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    Yes, generally to the standard of the day, which can be 20 minute fire check to selected doors, through all doors other than bathrooms being FD20 no intumescent seals and ending in FD30 doors with seals (sometimes standing in for a FD20 door)
  15. - No reason unless it's damaged (internally or externally) or due it's 5 year extended service but of an obsolete make with no parts available. At 5 years the extinguisher should be discharge tested, internally examined and refilled. Many companies servicing extinguishers these days don't have the training or equipment to refill so just replace stuff I was at a site where one year old extinguisher was replaced with a new one by the servicing company just because it had been used and needed refilling. As they hadn't even bothered to take the used one away I did and then refilled it at my workshop for a fraction of the new price. - Best practice is to mount an extinguisher on a wall bracket, shelf, stand, etc but it is not a legal requirement or enforceable: just look in any branch of M&S
  16. You aren't subject to any fire safety legislation beyond the basic Housing Act requirements for renting single family dwellings so as long as you have smoke alarms that are checked at the start of each tenancy (& carbon monoxide ones for any solid fuel appliances) and haven't removed doors, changed windows for non escape windows, or changed layout since built (unless you have gone through Building Control to approve these changes) then that's it. No fire risk assessment, fire certificates or anything. You would be of course be expected to have a valid EICR with a 'satisfactory' report and valid Gas Safe certificate in any case. Of course if you are unlucky enough to be in the Bootle selective licensing area then the Council seem to have enough resources to manage the requirement in this area for virtually every types of rented property to be licensed (normally only HMO's and certain houses converted to flats) and so you will need to go through this process too.
  17. Not quite true - the Fire Service are not obliged to state in enforcement action what system to put in and where they do it's just a suggested remedy based on the guidance. The law is clear that it is solely the Responsible Person's job to determine through a FRA (supported by other competent persons if they need assistance) what fire detection & warning is needed. As risk based legislation centred on broad functional requirements not prescriptive instructions there is no fixed approach and on many occasions I've used solutions different to those suggested by the fire service which, because they still met the functional requirements of the legislation, they accepted.
  18. Not normally. Hundreds of thousands of houses in the UK have enclosed rear yards or gardens.
  19. Depends if the store is of fire resisting material or not. Your local Fire Service are the enforcers and can advise if you are at risk and take action if required.
  20. It's been a legal requirement in new care homes in Scotland for many years and has been in UK wide guidance for healthcare premises and care homes for many years also, all as a result of the multi fatality Rose Park Care Home fire in 2004. One of the many failings that contributed directly to the deaths was a 25 minute delay in calling the fire service after the first detector triggered whilst staff were investigating and doing other things. Relying on the human factor in this sector is no longer considered adequate and whilst it is not intended to replace staff 999 calls it is there to act as a failsafe and also a timesaver - every minute saved is critical.
  21. In certain circumstances key operated call points are permitted, your appointed fire risk assessor should be able to come up with a set of options. Does the premises have extensive smoke detection?
  22. Based on that number then in theory just one - however this would restrict considerably the size of the premises, so based on size & layout (& resulting travel distances) you would be looking at at least 2.
  23. Do you mean it goes from being unlit other than the green LED to fully illuminated?
  24. If the conversion is to a standard that would have met Building Regulations then just because it's pre-1991 doesn't mean it needs full alarms and evac policy. However it's more likely it doesn't (e.g. no smoke control even if structure is good) and so the LACORS recommendations would remain approopriate.
  25. Whilst rising butt hinges are no longer approved for fire doors on their own due to reliability issues, if you are pairing them with an EN 1154 closer and they are CE marked and of a suitable metal for use in fire doors then I can't see an issue.
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