Fire Doors and Accessories

I am looking at a large dining facility with a large kitchen included. The kitchen is separated from the eating and service area by block-work walls. All frying has its own Ansul suppression facilities. At the moment there is a difference of opinion as to the rating if the fire doors. 1. The kitchen is ancillary and therefore should be separated from the dining area as a compartment and have 60-minute doors, complies with ADB. 2. BS 9999, Table 29, allows for separation of a dining area from the associated from a kitchen by 30-minute wall with 30 min doors. The question is which one is right and why

I have lived in a retirement development for the past ten years and have always had a small plastic ornament on our flat door. A number of neighbours have something similar - such as a knocker/small plastic ornament. We've been told to remove them as they are a fire hazzard. All the doors are fire resistant doors and I wondered whether a knocker / ornament would hinder the fire door from doing its job and if there is a specific fire safety regulation about this kind of thing.

Hi All, Hope all are well this evening? I have been looking at our companies documents on on our fire doo survey sheets it requests frame thickness. What does this refer too and how would it be measured please. I have also noticed on one of our double leaf sets. Around the frame it has 1 x 20mm intumescent seal. Where the door meets on the closing edge it has 1 x 10mm. Surely this is in correct? Again we have no certificates or O&M manual for this door Thanks Team

Hi, Would plastic finger guards on hinge side of fire doors affect the performance of the doors in any way. I have contacted the manufacturer of the doors and they haven’t given me an answer. The doors are located in a primary school so I’m told finger guards are needed.

Hi all In our place of work, we have had a leaf and half fitted with new MDF frame. When the doors close in the centre there is 2 x 15mm strips fitted. one on either door. If there is a fire surly, they won't work correctly? The meet in the middle and not at all staggered thanks Team

I have a Dorgard and it works great in one area of the flat we let. But I need to add another one to the bedroom fire door as it is off he kitchen. Problem is that the doorfame with its fire door is mounted on the kitchen side, so the bedroom is about a 2 inch/5 cm step down from the kitchen floor doorway. Will the plunger in the Dorgard go down that far for when the door is open in the bedroom? Carpet is very short pile. We put the floor plate on this carpet successfully for the other installation in the flat's hall to isolate the kitchen from the rest of the flat.🙄 As the door opens only slightly past 90 degrees into the bedroom because of an overhead beam, we d…

Hi, I've seen intumescent kits sold online. Are those mandatory for FD30 doors? I've checked my doors at home and none have intumescent around the locks. Thank you Ronan

Hi, I am thinking to fit something like surface mounted intumescent strips or surface mounted intumescent fire & fire/smoke seals over the hinges and the latch area, because I don't understand how smoke wouldn't pass through those. I wanted to get your expert opinion: is it a good idea? Bad idea? Useless?

Hi, I have a door set that has an 8mm gap at the bottom of jambs to FFL. Whats the recommended remedial works that can be done?

Hi, I am getting more and more passionate about fire safety regulations, especially on fire rated doors, also thanks to this forum. I am trying to understand more about why gaps are so important and how they were determined. For example - why 10mm gap is allowed at the bottom but only 4mm on the sides and on top? - why 5mm would fail? What's the difference with 4? That smoke seals are only 4mm or because flames would pass in 5mm but not in 4? - why 2mm is ok but less it's not? Thank you for helping me in understanding more. Could you suggest a good course or certification on these matters?

After any advice from the forum 🤞 We have some FED's which are on external balconies and have ducts and services passing through the existing fan light sections. Our door supply can not provide any testing to cover pipework and vents passing through the fan light section and the client has flat refused to relocate anything. If we install fire batt and intumecent sealant across the fan light section is there a a standard board used for cladding over / protecting the fire batt from damage that anyone has used for ease??

Hi, my apartment fire door has a gap of 12mm from the floor and I was thinking to use this https://www.safelincs.co.uk/surface-mounted-drop-down-smoke-seal/?q=seal does that mean that once that is in place it's enough to be compliant? Or is it just a temporary solution? If it's not enough to be considered compliant how can I fix that? Would a fire resistant threshold strip help? Not even sure it exists. The gaps on the sides go between 1mm and 4mm is there anything that can be done there? I think it's because the door or the frame are not perfectly straight. There is a small gap, 1 or 2 mm between the hinges and the end of the intume…

Are latches allowed on corridor/stairwell doors in sheltered housing? They have self closing devices but I thought they should just be pushed open.

Are vision panels on old doors still compliant today if they are only 200mm from the bottom of the door? Should these doors be changed. They are on a corridors and I am concerned they might get damaged. We have no information on the doors.

Hi, Do we need to have a fire door in a porch of a ground floor flat in a converted Victorian house? I’ve attached the plan for reference. If it’s part of the regulation, can you guide me where I find it? I really appreciate your help. Thanks

Hi, is the CF number on the top or side of an FD30 door mandatory? I know someone that have their door without it. It was replaced a while ago by a contractor that assured the door is FD30 but didn't provide any CF number with it. Is that acceptable or even possible? If the brush seal is in the frame, I don't understand how this would work. The guy is also panicking because he's afraid the management company could sue him for breach of lease. I've told him that's not going to happen if he demonstrates his good will and that he wants to make things right, but I would like to know your opinion. Thank you

Hi there We are currently selling our 3-storey property. We have had a viewer who claims to be in the building regulations business and stated that we 'may' have issues at the conveyancing stage as we have removed 2 doors however he said it was a 'grey area' due to when the house was built and when we removed them - so I thought I would give the full scenario here and see if anyone can offer some definitive advice please. House - 3 storey semi-detached townhouse built in 2004, purchased by us in 2009 Ground floor - hallway off of which kitchen at front, lounge at rear (leading to garden through french doors), and small toilet room. Fire doors (with auto-c…

We recently purchased a "new build" converted flat and observed that the gaps at the head and non-hinge side jamb of the FD30s flat front door exceeded 4mm. To remedy that the developer's joinery contractor has adjusted the head and non-hinge side jamb to close the gap, and included some packers to adjust the door hanging. The gaps are now under 4mm all round. Our concern is how to remedy what we (are now presuming) is an increased gap between the frame and the wall. We are not aware of the developer having done anything other than to cosmetically deal with the gap between the wall and the frame At its widest point, I suspect these gaps are around 10mm. There is arch…

Hi, If rising butts have been installed to a front door should a new door be required. The top edge has been chamfered a lot so gaps can be seen. Also no fire seals have not been installed & we have been told the construction of the door is tubular chipboard (as this can be seen from the cut out of the letterbox )& won’t be easy installing the seals. The doors were installed in the 80’s & have no info on them.

Hi, We live in a three storey house that was built in 2004 - my understanding is that any door that opens into the stairwell should be a fire door, however, does the door frame also need to be a fire door frame? The joiner has come today today to change a few of the doors and frames. He was unable to do this as he states the door frame we currently have is not a fire door frame, and the frame he had brought wouldn't fit as it was wider than the standard frame and the only way to do this would be to cut the stud wall back - which would also result in some electrics needing to be moved - costings (his quote) around 1K per door and frame. Could anyone please a…

Hi Do all fire doors in commercial premises need to have smoke seals fitted? in this case, an office accommodation. The query has been raised that, whilst fire doors along means of escape such as stairways and protected corridors have fire strips (intumescent) and smoke brushes, doors to store rooms, boiler cupboards, electrical equipment housing in accommodation areas have only fire/intumescent strips. Third party Fire Risk Assessor has said that all fire doors must have both intumescent strips and smoke seals/brushes. But, a third party fire consultant has said that this is not the case - reason being that, in an office accommodation, there is not any…

In our block of flats the corridor doors which are fd30 have had 20mm fire seals put on them recently to upgrade. I read that the seals should be 15mm. Does this mean that the door is no good?

Hi, UK based with a 1930’s property. We have gone open plan downstairs, second floor has 3 bedrooms (2 existing with old doors and 1 new bedroom with a new fire door). loft upstairs has a fire door as also new. We have alarms in all rooms downstairs (hall/living room/open plan). we have fire alarm in the loft and a fire alarm on second floor. we don’t have fire alarms in the bedrooms on second floor. building control say we either have a fully integrated fire alarm system with an alarm in every single room or the entire house is fire doors. We can’t mix and match. We can’t find this in statute/regs…

HiI, Do fire doors with mainly glass in them have to be renewed? It’s in a school and we have been told it doesn’t meet the standards required as the doors are 40years old. Also can draft excluders at the bottom of the door be used to reduce the gap?

Hi, Im trying to find information on the regulations regarding Steel fire door sets and the gap allowance. Can anyone help me? Is it the same tolerance as timber fire doors 2-4mm? Thank you