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Fire Doors and Accessories

  1. Started by RRR,

    We have a fire door survey contract in place and majority of the doors are composites. The building are sheltered housing, shared housing , high rise buildings. The client holds certification on some sites for composites but majority they don’t hold any evidence of certification. With the MOH detailing on GRP composites test data where several composite doors manufactures failed, i wounded where we stand if the client can’t provide any certification and is there any guidance on this matter.

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  2. The double leaf fire doors to the services cupboard in the communal corridor of a residential block of flats displays the mandatory blue "Fire door keep locked". Both door leaves are fitted with concealed door closers. One leaf is secured using a top and bottom door bolt fitted inside the cupboard, and the other leaf is secured to its mate with a FB mortice lock. Residents need to access the cupboard to read their gas meter and access the water stopcocks. The FB key to unlock the door is made available in an unsecured lockbox located adjacent to the services cupboard. The security of any door secured with a FB lock is illusionary given the keys are availa…

    • 2 replies
    • 1.9k views
  3. Guest WBlack
    Started by Guest WBlack,

    Good afternoon Could you please advise on the following: A Firedoor/set can be made by any joinery company using a fire door blanks(certified with Global Assessment)providing that the door is manufactured in strict accordance with the Global Assessment. They do not have by law to belong to either the BWF or TRADA "Q" mark to do this Bill

  4. Guest Pepper
    Started by Guest Pepper,

    I've recently purchased a townhouse which is split over 4 floors (ground floor, 1st floor, 2nd floor and a loft conversion). The building survey has recommended that fire doors are installed in the property (it looks as though the previous owner had these removed at some point and installed with cheaper doors) which we're looking in to at the moment. The survey has recommended that FD60 fire doors are installed but when trying to scout out our door options, these seem to be more common in commercial properties. Would FD30 fire doors be sufficient?

    • 1 reply
    • 1.2k views
  5. Guest Paul edinburgh
    Started by Guest Paul edinburgh,

    I am hoping that you can assist.I am a building manager in a commercial property, which was constructed in 2003.The building had FD60 fire doors installed at the time of constrution, which complied with all the then regulations.Site recently had a fire door survey carried out, and the report stated that all the fire doors should be replaced to the current regulations.My question is, as the fire doors were compliant in 2003, is there a legal requirement to replace all the doors, to current regulations?

    • 3 replies
    • 2.1k views
  6. Started by Mike North,

    I am currently scoping a lifecycle project to replace some defective/none conforming fire doors. At the moment I'm up to 23 (59%) of the doors failing inspection, at what point should I just call it a day and replace all the of the doors in the building. To make matters worse it is grade 2 listed.

  7. Guest New home owner
    Started by Guest New home owner,

    I have just moved into a new build house. The integral garage door does not close properly and is draughty from all sides of the door . Is this a fire and car fume hazard?

  8. Guest Zoe Bytheway
    Started by Guest Zoe Bytheway,

    Wondering if any of the experts on this forum can help with a question linked to the specification/design of a new mechanism. I'm unsure if the requirements for a successful fire test of a door handle/latch mechanism require that the mechanism still works at the end? By that i appreciate the latch must keep the door closed but should it be possible to still open the latch from tested side - I assume perhaps not but wasn't 100% hence the question. Tied into this query is material choice, does the door handle/mechanism on the test side have to be non-combustible? Or is ok to melt as long as the door remains closed (Actual latch material doesn't melt, continues to …

  9. 1) My existing Flat Entrance door is 60 minute fire rated but, I would like to know if the doors within the Flat require to be fire rated (i.e Kitchen door, gas cupboard door, etc.) 2) Can you refer me to any Legislation? (I live in Scotland)

    • 5 replies
    • 2.7k views
  10. Guest Tom Rice
    Started by Guest Tom Rice,

    Hi Folks, I've recently had a 30 minute fire door installed in my flat. Does this need a special intumescent varnish on top of it, or will a normal varnish do as the door is already fire rated? My concern is that putting the wrong varnish on my actually make the door more flammable and counteract it being a fire door. Cheers, Tom

  11. Evening All, I have been handed a job to route out a riser cupboard door and fit a intumescent brush seal, however there is an intumescent seal built into the frame. I was led to believe when I did my fire door training that you cannot have both. Is this correct or should I just remove seal in the frame and replace with intumescent brush seal. Look forward to replies.

  12. Guest JonathanP
    Started by Guest JonathanP,

    Hi. I own an apartment in a block of flats that is accessed via an external balcony. I replaced the front with a standard UPVC double-glazed unit. However the management company have stated that it must be an FD30S fire door. Various glaziers have told me that this type of fire door is typically used internally, not externally. In your experience, please can you confirm if this is also your general understanding. I'm aware that you are not in a position to comment on this specific case but I would value your opinion. Many thanks, Jonathan

    • 5 replies
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  13. Guest Trevor Basildon
    Started by Guest Trevor Basildon,

    Hi Can you increase the width of an old fire door by adding a hard wood lipping to close up gaps? is that legal?

  14. Guest Steve
    Started by Guest Steve,

    Hello advice on closers please, got a council building, 3 floors high, each with lots of offices as you can imagine being a council, each corridor has fire doors on self closers at each end, however, the corridors themselves have about 6 offices in each corridor, the doors to each office are approx 45mm thick, got 3 hinges and have brown strips in them, although no badges saying Fire Door Keep Shut, Should ALL these doors have a self closer or are the ones at entrance / exit from corridor enough ? Thanks

  15. Guest Michelle
    Started by Guest Michelle,

    I own a 2 storey maisonette over a seperate flat below. Each of us has our own separate entrance . Leading from my front door is the stairs to my accommodation. I have fire doors throughout, fitted by the previous owner but wondered if it is possible to fit a fire door either at the bottom or preferably the top of the stairs,the stairs come up the middle with rooms either side ,as Im always concerned about visitors falling if unsure or the layout.

  16. Guest Ryan
    Started by Guest Ryan,

    Hi, The client has a nominal door & half leaf FD30(S) installed into a timber framed glazed panel system approx 3m X 3m. There is no information on the construction of the door set or glazed system although the glazed panels do display kite marks. The timber framed glazed system is in a good condition. The client wishes to replace the leaf and half door set only and install a new set into the timber glazed panel system. What are your thoughts on this? I.e new door set into existing glazed timber panel system. Also the client wishes the new door set to be double swing but underfloor heating is installed and concealed floor mounted closing devices are the…

  17. Started by Steve Blakemore,

    Hi. Probably a daft question but there is only one British Standard regarding fire doors irrespective what the door is made from? Ie wood or composite . The gaps around the door seem to vary on FD30s doors from 3mm to in some cases 10mm at a job I have been on. The client has gone back to the manufacturer and installer and their reply to the customer is they meet the standards for composite doors, where I have failed them on an inspection due to the gap sizes. To me it looks like bad installation , but as this is the reply from them to the customer it has made me think. In some cases where is is a 6mm gap the smoke seal brushes are actually making contact with…

  18. Guest ToniL
    Started by Guest ToniL,

    Hello My elderly mum has moved into an older person's apartment. The fire door is far too heavy for her. She is unable to even open the door. If the tension is altered it snaps shut fast and is dangerous. Do you know of an alternative that meets fire regs but will enable her to open the door with ease. I struggle to use it and I’m fit and well. With thanks Toni

  19. Started by Steve Blakemore,

    Not sure if I posted this as a guest by mistake. Are batwing type seals acceptable as smoke seals. I have been told by one seal company they were hot gas tested not cold smoke tested and I am finding them used a lot in housing associations in some cases as well as brushes on composite doors. Please help are they acceptable as smoke seals. Thanks

  20. Guest JohnT
    Started by Guest JohnT,

    I live in a block of flats which has 3 main entrances at the front of the building. There are 2 corridors on the ground floor which lead to reception areas and I live at the end of one of these corridors. At either end of the corridor, there are fire doors and to change the flow of walking traffic late at night I am in discussions with the managing agent of my block to see if any solution can be found. Would it be possible to fix keypads with emergency exit latches a bit like the below in that sort of arrangement? https://www.safelincs.co.uk/exidor-297-single-door-push-pad/?sku=EXD297CL1&fGB=true&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0azF_ueg7QIViOmyCh3LZABuEAQYASABEgLPx_D_…

  21. Started by Pacman,

    I occasionally come across double-leaf fire doors with smoke seals on both sides of the meeting stiles. Is this a valid configuration? To be effective, a smoke seal should surely be making contact with a solid surface rather than an opposing seal. A further consequence of such configurations is that the overall meeting stile gap tends to be greater than that of doorsets where just a single smoke seal exists. Thanks in advance for any guidance!

  22. Guest Edel
    Started by Guest Edel,

    The block of flats that I live in has recently been told (by the original developer who we got in to check something else) that the gaps between the fire doors and the frames are larger than they should be due to “natural shrinkage of the wooden doors over time”. They were installed 5 years ago. The solution we've been given is to remove the doors, pack out the frames to make the gaps smaller and re-hang the doors and have been quoted £26,800+VAT for doing so (for 80 fire doors – the number is high due to the number of service cupboards). Should fire doors meeting required standards shrink in that manner? If they are likely to shrink again, are we better of…

    • 4 replies
    • 4.2k views
  23. Started by Lyledunn,

    We have just completed a small restaurant with kitchen to rear. Relatively large open serving hatch direct in to sales area (no shutters) with door adjacent. That is fairly typical nowadays. Client wanted to remove door for ease of access. Door is a FD30s. Only one exit to front so customers seeing a fire situation can turn their back on the fire and make an immediate exit. BC will not permit removal of door. Anyone up for wrestling with the logic?

    • 0 replies
    • 1.4k views
  24. Guest bill
    Started by Guest bill,

    any advice please i have a friend who lives in a housing association ex local authority high rise block of flats, he is a leaseholder, he has been told he will need to replace his flat entrance door . the current door was fit in 2004 it is a mila composite door wing frames are glazed with wire cast the frame does have intumescent strips and a door closer i am sure that at the time the door was fit that it met guidelines at that time although he as no longer got any documents to specify that the door is fire rated , am i correct in thinking that without any documentary evidence that the housing association are correct in asking him to have another fit?

  25. Started by Suz,

    Hi, I have had a loft conversation, so my house is now 3 storey, do I need a fire rated door on the 1st floor bathroom? My understanding is that if it’s not a habitual room I don’t need one, all my other doors are fire rated. Thanks Suz

    • 1 reply
    • 1.8k views

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