Fire Doors and Accessories

I need advice on how to fit the new fire door casing 6" / 150mm around the stair case. How much of the door frame can be cut at the bottom around the second step on the stair case without jeopardising the fire rating of the door set? if you look at the pictures you will see how the original door casing was wrapped around the stair tread and stair string, on the hinge side it's going over the stair string and on the latch side the door casing is cut around the stair string. Can the new fire door casing be fit like the original door casing was fitted? Or Can the new fire door frame be cut around the stair tread so not to damage the second step by leaving 70mm of the fire d…

I am hoping someone can give some advice here, as I can't find any anywhere else! I am fully aware that gaps around modern fire doors should be 3mm (+/- 1mm) and this is because the intumescent strip and smoke seal are rated for gaps that size. However, I conduct a lot of fire risk assessments for residential blocks of flats built in the 1970s and 1980s where the CP3 standard applied, requiring 25mm rebates. The requirement for that standard was the door to be flush against the rebate, to prevent smoke and fire from getting past. In accordance with the LGA guidelines, and also BS 9794 (Clauses 9 and 10.4) I am happy to accept these doors in principle, including the two …

We have just put an offer in on a 1900 terraced house. The stairwell leading up to the top floor curves round and currently does not have a door on it. It is being used as a bedroom/study at the moment but we would like to get a friend in as a lodger (to help pay the mortgage) Would the new door have to be a fire door to meet regulations? Can you get fire doors for this setup? We know we will have to move the radiator Thanks

I'm interested to know what everyone is using to measure perimeter gaps on fire doors. I've seen many inspectors using stepped brake pad gauges (such as the Hilka gauge set attached), while others use feeler gauges, dedicated fire door gap gauges, or calipers. My main question is regarding accuracy when checking against the BS 8214 recommendation of 2-4 mm. For those using stepped gauges: How do you determine whether a gap is 4 mm or 5 mm when the gauge jumps in 1 mm increments? If the 4 mm blade fits but the 5 mm blade doesn't, do you record it as compliant? Do you apply any pressure when inserting the gauge, or should it slide freely under its own weight? I'm interested…

Hello I need some advice in relation to fire doors. I am an owner of a flat in a block of flats and our managing agent is saying that we need to replace all the fire doors in the communal areas across the whole development the cost of which is going to be enormous. The age of the flats and the fire doors is 18yrs old A Fire risk assessment and a fire door survey have been done but these specify that repairs are needed with a small number of doors that need replacing. The managing agent is pushing hard under sec 20 to replace all the fire doors and has got estimates from contractors My self and other owners feel that the managing agent has not given us any evidence in supp…

We have a fire exit that is often in use to access the rear of the building. As it is a food manufacturing site pest control is essential so we have been looking at solutions that we are told are fire safe, however I'm unsure if they would meet regs or not. I've attached an example. Would this meet fire regulations?

Hi all, Hoping someone might be able to advise on this one, I'm getting mixed messages regarding Oil based vs Water based Paints and Varnishes on Fire doors and their frames. We've got existing varnished doors, white painted frames (notional FD30s) in a mid 80s development which I'm guessing are finished with oil based/polyurethane varnish/paint that we're looking to repaint/varnish Seeing some info saying that doors and frames have to be finished in water based products in order to comply with regs which kind of makes sense, particularly for a brand new installation where you're starting from scratch, but doesn't make a lot of sense to me if you're going over existing oi…

Hi again all, back to the hive mind for advice and guidance. We've got a couple of notional/nominal FD30 (soon to be FD30S with the addition of intumescent smoke seals) flat entrance doors that need re-lipping as they've been planed below 6mm in the past. We're looking to trim them down and add 8mm hardwood lipping before rebating to take the 15x4mm intumescent smoke seals. My question is a three parter; 1. I'm assuming that the 6mm minimum is for the lipping itself and you can rebate the intumescent strips into that without having to allow and extra 4mm for the rebate (i.e. making the minimum 10mm in this case)? 2. I'm getting differing info on what glue …

Hi, I've been asked to advise a client on the following scenario and am struggling to provide an answer that either I or the client is happy with. The client owns a flat in converted three-storey terrace house. The house was converted around 20 years ago. The entrance door to the common areas is at ground level at the front of the buidling. The front door to the neighbouring house is next to this door (about 50cm to the side). The neighbouring house is a single three-storey dwelling. A recent T1 FRA of the converted house has just been produced and recommended that the front door to both the converted house and the terrace house be replaced with FD30 fire doors due to the…

Please can you advise where I can find information concerning when it is a requirement to have door closers. Closers have been removed in our apartment and I can see no legal reason why I would need to replace them. Can you advise?

We have just had some major renovations done at one of our offices including new rooms being built etc. One of these is a store room, inside is a mains distribution board, but i am shocked that the door is NOT a fire door. My question is - should it be? The room stores cardboard stock and spare furniture

Hello, I don't know if you can advise me but - recently moved into a flat in a purpose built block and all the internal doors in the flat are very heavy, (presumably fire doors) which will not stay open or ajar and close too heavily behind you, causing potential injury to hand or legs which might be in the way. Can these doors be modified in some way to become 'normal'doors ?They appear to have a 3rd chain like hinge in the middle. Thanks

I have fitted 1st floor fire, strips sides,top and bottom. I am now told that I need pads under the hinges, why? What their purpose??? It's all over kill....

Hi, I work for a leisure group and have recently done an online firedoor maintenance course. Most firedoors in our centres are nominal doors. My manager seems to think I can just repair them without the firedoors being assessed. Is this true??

Hi, We have come across some Timber Doors in Aluminum Frames. No evidence on the doors, no documents from site so no information available on these doors. Door leaf is FD30 with both 10mm & 20mm Blade installed, has large gaps of 7mm between head (Handle side) Can remedial work be carried out on these or recommended for a new door set? Thanks, Stu

i have taken some poor advise and have added a 2mm veneer to the side of a door frame to bring the gaps down on the fire door that is fitted, it has know been flagged up by the customer as not being able to be signed off what are my options Many thanks

Hi, I’m hoping someone can help clarify fire door regulations for us? Much of this post is providing context; the final two paragraphs are where my questions are. Our leasehold development consists of 3 x three-storey blocks (all under 11 metres high) built in 1986 — one block has 9 flats (3 on each floor), and the other two blocks (which are joined, but have separate access doors) have 6 flats each (2 flats per floor). All flats open onto communal stairwells, with one access door from outside into the blocks, with no secondary means of escape and no fire alarms in communal areas. We have a Residents Management Company and we employ a Managing Agent to carry out main…

Hi We have a 3 storey house and would like to replace our internal doors. They are currently fire doors - do the replacements have to be fire doors or can we substitute them for normal doors? Thanks

I own my flat in a managed block, and have done for 28 years. Last months I had an inspection of my front door, and the management company sent a letter asking me to make some alterations. Apparently I need new hinges, a device to ensure the door closes itself and the gap needs to be smaller. What in your opinion would be a reasonable timeframe to make these improvements? They're insisting on three months which I'm questioning. I understand the law changed in 2021 which means they've waited five years before carrying out the inspection.

Hi (Not letting my upload photo) We have a cross corridor double door set leading from a large lobby area on ground floor into a lift lobby of 4 lifts with a rear exit staircase (Fire door to staircase). There is also a fire exit at the rear of the lifts leading outside via push bar. (33 story building) There has been an air pressure problem in the past and someone has installed 4 x fire rated vents (Not smoke) to relieve the air pressure which it has done. A fire strategy has come back and says they need to be smoke. The main lobby upon a fire alarm has automatic doors that open outside. The question is the whether to replace, remediate or a risk ba…

We have had a fire door installed in our building but the floor is not level. The door does not have to have smoke control but there is a 10mm gap under the door but the manufacturer states the fire door should have a 6mm gap. Could we reduce the gap with a surfaced mounted drop down seal?

Hi all, back to the hive mind for some advice on the following. We've done a lot of upgrades to existing nominal FD30 flat entrance doors, adding lots of fittings to bring them closer to current standards, one of those fittings being intumescent brush seals. We've got a couple of the flats that are struggling with air pressure issues in the hallways that are stopping the closer from working properly, open a hallway door and it closes perfectly, close the door and the air pressure stops it. Had a couple of thoughts on potential solutions as below but if anyone could add/recommend a solution or offer any thoughts on the ones below we're more than open to it. Possible S…

Hello, Please see the attached picture and advise on what could be used to close the gap from your product list and how to fit (do we need to re-hang door etc)? There are a few doors with the gaps varying from 4mm to 8mm. Many thanks Nick

Could anyone tell me if frame fit seals are allowable to reduce the gap between a fire door frame and fire door.

Hi Can you please help me with some advice on 3 x FD30 door gaps ,top latch side corner adjustment. My question is.. can I remove architraves and door stops on that side and cut through the frame to adjust the gap and re screw it at an angle through the back of the frame. Ill understand if you don’t want to guide me but I’m stuck and don’t want to make a mistake .