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AnthonyB

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  1. Leave unlocked and fit an EN 1154 such as https://www.safelincs.co.uk/geze-2000-overhead-door-closer/
  2. From HM Government "Fire Safety Risk Assessment - Small and medium places of assembly" which covers Churches. "If temporary seating is provided, these should be secured in lengths of not fewer than four seats (and not more than 12). Each length should be fixed to the floor"
  3. What category of automatic detection is there & is the building sprinklered? 19.2.2 (c) of BS5839-1 does give scope for call points to only sound an initial staff alarm: "Any proposal to use a staff alarm as the initial response to a signal from a manual call point should be subject to special consideration. In such special circumstances, there should be adequate arrangements to ensure that a person operating a manual call point is not left in doubt as to the success of the operation (e.g. by means of visual indication at the call point that the signal has been correctly received at the control equipment and a suitable warning that operation of the manual call point will not result in an immediate audible fire warning). NOTE 1 It is common practice for both manual call points and automatic detectors in large places of public entertainment to initiate only a staff alarm, so that staff can be prepared to assist in an orderly evacuation, which is then initiated by a voice alarm message. Such arrangements necessitate a high level of training and awareness on the part of staff, and might not be appropriate in other premises" London Underground is one example of silent manual call points in public areas.
  4. Not a location needing stopping - probably used whatever foam they had to hand for insulation/damp/acoustic sealing
  5. They are certainly frowned upon in the Government Fire Safety Guides: "Electromechanical devices Electromechanical devices comprise electromechanical lock keeps and draw bolts, which can be controlled by people inside the premises by entering a code or by using ‘smart cards’, which have been adapted to control the exit from certain areas. These devices have been fitted in many premises and may be linked to the fire-detection and/or warning system. Experience has shown that these devices can fail to open in a number of ways. They are dependent on a spring mechanism to return the lock keep or draw bolt(s) and are liable to jam when pressure is applied to the door. It is also relatively easy to fit them incorrectly. Electromechanical locking devices are normally unacceptable on escape doors, unless they are fitted with a manual means of overriding the locking mechanism, such as a push bar, push pad or lever handle or they do not rely on a spring mechanism, fail-safe open and are not affected by pressure, in which case the criteria for electromagnetic devices should be applied."
  6. 1 - No, it sounds like the exit width is provided via the full door and, as is common, the half leaf is for where extra width is temporarily needed, e.g. moving large items/furniture, hence why it's bolted. If the full leaf and a half was required for escape width as sometimes is the case then the half door would/should have no bolts and a self closer. 2- I'll let the forum's fire door specialist address this next time he logs on
  7. American La France was owned by ASCOA after acquisition from Sterling Precision Instruments and before sale to Figgie"
  8. From my fellow experts from across the pond: "American La France 2-3/4 lb. Dry chemical. I have a later version. Not super common with this name plate. Maybe $20-25 to the right person."
  9. Not really unless the premises have temporary mitigation measures in place. The room sounders are there because the corridor sounders will not rouse a fair percentage of people in bedrooms - studies showed people asleep in unfamiliar locations actually need higher sound pressures hence the change in standards over 40 years ago to have sounders in bedrooms.
  10. If you ask US based extinguisher preservationists you will get a value for this. It's in good condition and has a particular branding different to the more common ones for this model (sold under various different brands) so whilst not worth serious money could fetch a few dollars or more to the right person. If you use Facebook this group is full of expert knowledge from several counties (including the US) and will give you far more info: Antique Fire Extinguisher Collectors/Current Extinguisher users
  11. No, the main reason water mist and stuff like Firexo get bad press from the trade is that it reduces the numbers they sell and have to maintain. These emerging new technologies have gone through the required EN3 fire tests and can provide single extinguisher type solutions for a wide range of premises and work types.
  12. AnthonyB

    Maglocks

    They must be on the side where people are escaping from, so when moving in the direction of escape you will have a green breakglass. BS7273-4 covers this.
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    Miss

    An EICR is a legal requirement in all rented dwellings not just licensed HMO's. I strongly urge you contact your local council Environmental Health (primary enforcers for houses & HMOs) as you are in a rogue landlord property - The Housing Act covers all properties, licensed or not and should meet the requirements of the Housing Health & Safety Rating System. You may be able to take legal action as the attempts to evict could be classed as aa 'revenge' eviction for you complaining - seek advice from Shelter & the Citizens Advice Bureau
  14. Powder is common as very cheap and suitable for everything in the home other than cooking oils - it's very, very messy though. Water Mist has the same all round cover, but also can cover cooking oil risks too and is far less messy so is worth the extra cost. A fire blanket can be handy to - but only if it's a Kitemarked one as sold by Safelincs - many online marketplaces sell cheap imports that are counterfeit and don't work effectively
  15. No, you are legally required to keep the system operational, you have a service charge budget for a reason, so you should be able to get it sorted. The insurance company should be aware of the system being down and appropriate mitigation in place or you risk loss of cover.
  16. Unless carrying out a change to the building that would come under Building Regulations then inside a private dwelling the most you would be expected to do is maintain the doors to the standard approved at original installation/build.
  17. Is the door from the public half into the same foyer?
  18. Possibly you can use both - Offices & Shops for that part of the building and Factories & Warehouses for the other, assuming the layout is such that one distinct part of the building is the warehousing and the other the shop. You aren't always forced to use one guide for the whole of a building if it has different usage groups, just the appropriate one for the use, occupancy and risks of the distinct areas. If they are so overlapping and intermingled it may be different - without seeing it I can't be definitive.
  19. Actually it didn't meet the standard of the day as the sounders have always (since 1980 & earlier) needed to be in fire resistant cabling so the system is non compliant as a fire could quickly result in a failure of the alarm system to warn people. Sadly a lot of fire alarm systems have and are installed wrongly, often by general electricians. The sounder circuits would need to be recabled in fire resistant cabling but the rest can remain as long as the internal panel settings (as can be configured by the fire alarm engineer) as set to "Short Circuit = Fire". This setting is used in older systems where the call point and detector cabling isn't fire resistant so that if fire damages these cables the fire panel will go into "Fire" & activate the alarm sounders. If the panel isn't set up this way then fire damage to the cable will only result in the fire panel going into "Fault" and the alarm sounders won't go off.
  20. If correctly installed. assembled and commissioned by a competent person they should all have completed service labels with commissioning date and weight on as well as next extended service/overhaul date (some will also have next basic service weight on too) . If they've been bought off a catalogue then they may have no labels or blank labels and not commissioned (so possibly not ready for safe and effective use) These labels are for the service technician to record the commissioning service, annual basic service and 5 years extended service/10 year overhaul on. The end user is meant to check the extinguishers at least monthly visually for being in the correct location, damage, broken tamper seals, gauges (where fitted) in green - this is usually recorded in a separate paper or online log book.
  21. Hatches are no longer routinely acceptable as escape routes in any case, they are very last century except in isolated plant rooms on roofs. Where does door 2 lead to? What automatic detection is there? Travel distance and occupancy wise single escape and single direction of travel is fine in the pictured area, so the issue must be with the area the outlet opens onto, but there's nothing that jumps out in the picture as requiring a by pass route.
  22. Depends on the block, layout, fire resistance of the walls, fire strategy etc. Often service risers are indeed protected shafts with 60 minute walls and either 30 or 60 minute doors and don't need stopping at each floor (& sadly some RP's have spent substantial amounts on stopping after being erroneously advised it was required), sometimes the design is to continue a compartment floor so as to have service cupboards, you do see both approaches.
  23. The interior of the flat is not a Fire Safety Order/Fire Safety Act/Fire Safety (England) Regulations matter - just the front door and walls. So no, not part of the checks. The interior is, if rented, a Housing Act/Housing Health & Safety Rating System issue and the recommendations in the LACORS guide apply for the standard of door. I dealt with a similar situation in a 60's block, answered as below. Flat internal doors do not form part of the common areas or the boundary with them and fall outside the scope of the Fire Safety Order (as amended) As built before 1971 the flats would be expected to have a hallway approach with Type 3 20 minute fire check doors to the kitchen & living room (where these are off the hall) but not the bedrooms or bathrooms. Post 1971 the bedrooms were added to require fire doors, a situation which is virtually unchanged to today bar the door standard has changed from FD20 to FD30 and self closers are not required. The doors within flats would only be the client’s responsibility if they are the landlord issuing tenancies to the flats and then under the Housing Act and not general fire safety legislation. The current approved guidance for general needs rented accommodation is the LACORS guide to “Fire Safety in certain types of Housing” used by local authority enforcement as part of the Housing Health & Safety Rating System. For flats over 4 stories it would expect fire doors to risk rooms and the original CP3 provision of fire check doors to kitchens and lounges would be in line with this. Whilst the expectation is for an FD30 doorset, the presence of a higher level of automatic fire detection (LD2 rather than the LD3 minimum in both LACORS and the Smoke & Carbon Monoxide (England) Regulations 2015 (as amended 2022) and thus covering the risk rooms) would be a reasonable mitigation. As a flat is renovated or a damaged door reported and requiring renewal it would be reasonable to expect new FD30 doors to be introduced.
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