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Fire Risk Assessments

  1. Started by Charlotte,

    If I set up a massage therapy treatment room at home do I need a fire risk assessment? I would be the only therapist and clients would be there one at a time.

  2. As a leaseholder in purpose-built block, I'm in the frustrating situation of fighting a deficient and disproportionate fire risk assessment that was carried out on behalf of the managing agent last summer. The solution offered was for leaseholders to commission a new FRA. This was done in November, which thankfully did negate the original recommendations BUT added a crazy new recommendation to replace ALL seven fire doors despite the visual inspection of the doors being quite satisfactory. The assessor said he was recommending replacement because while he accepts they pass a visual inspection, there is no documentary evidence that these are FD30 doors and because the…

    • 2 replies
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  3. Started by pyrolysis,

    Hi. Hopefully someone can give their thoughts on the following scenario: What is the maximum travel distance from a flat on the 3rd floor of a 4 storey building. The only route to exit the upper floor flat is via an open air walkway to a protected stairwell. This is also the normal means of entry/exit to this flat. I have measured the current travel distance and it is 21 meters (Flat door to the protected stairwell).

  4. Started by Meady,

    Hi, please would you be able to steer us in the right direction please. We are managing agents for a purpose built block of flats - dated 1980s. 'Stay Put' evacuation policy. Each flat has a FD30 with Perko / chain self-closer. They are the original doors dating back to 1980. No fire strips or smoke seals on approximately 50% of flat entrance doors, but others (but only where residents have taken it upon themselves for their own peace of mind) have. Question is, should ALL the flat entrance doors now have fire and smoke seals retrospectively fitted as mandatory, or just best practice?? FRA report shows they must have them fitted, but doesn't state w…

    • 4 replies
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  5. Started by StundentVincent,

    Hello, I'm in the seventh semester of studying Security & Safety Engineering B.Sc. at the Furtwangen University in Germany. I am currently working on my bachelor thesis. This is entitled "Comparison of the legal status and training of fire protection officers in German-speaking countries and selected Anglo-Saxon countries ". In particular, i would like to investigate the situation in united kingdom as part of this work. In Germany, Switzerland and Austria it is mandatory it is compulsory to employ a fire protection officer ("Brandschutzbeauftragter") in complex buildings. For example in big industrial buildings. According to The Regulatory Reform (Fir…

    • 3 replies
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  6. Guest Lynn Mackay
    Started by Guest Lynn Mackay,

    I am the building manager of a residential property. We have recently installed a new fire panel that has a direct link to the fire brigade. Should the fire services arrive out of hours they will have no access to the fire panel key, we have a locked box by the panel. Is it acceptable to have a ‘break glass for key’ unit with the key for the box? thanks

    • 2 replies
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  7. Started by Meady,

    If anyone has a moment, please could I have your expert steer on a FRA due to be carried out? The basics: Converted building (originally built circa 1900 but conversion in recent years so not purpose built block of flats) The property as a whole is rented by the same party Communal stair and main entrance – each flat has own independent entrance door opening on to stair Each of the 4 flats has four bedrooms and a shared lounge, diner, kitchen and bathroom. The premises are not registered for HMO purposes (being the 4 bedroom rule). The plan is to use the building to house refugees before being housed permanently… so the tenants /…

  8. Guest RG007
    Started by Guest RG007,

    Hi, a little confused. common entrance to 2 flats, recently converted. both have FD30, with strips and self closers. there’s x2 double plasterboard protection, ie 120 mins separation. The hallway is 0.9m x 2m. Fire strategy report says no SD required in the hallway, but the FRA says we need a SD linked to both flats in case someone did an arson attack through the letter box!! Seems a bit extreme, what’s right, what’s right wrong? there no risk in the hallway, no fuse boards etc.. Any advice appreciated!!

    • 2 replies
    • 2.1k views
  9. Hi there, wondering if anyone could give me any advice, I recently converted my studio flat into a 1 bed which involved putting up a stud wall, replacing an existing window that was covered up with a new double glazed one, I also removed a doorway and door to create a more open plan hallway area/lounge. Have recently sold the flat, somehow throughout this whole process no one told me that I needed to get building regs approval (don't ask..), so have paid for regularisation/retrospective approval with my local council building control. Have been speaking to one of their people over the last few weeks sending pics of stuff etc and have an inspection in a few days time. Alth…

  10. In a general needs property converted into flats with a communal fire alarm system (linked to heat detectors within the flats), a simultaneous evacuation strategy and no staff on site, is there a requirement to identify a specific assembly point on the fire action notice?

  11. Guest Opt
    Started by Guest Opt,

    I work for a company and we own a complex of flats. In our last annual Fire risk assessment, we have been told we have to remove the class A fire Extinguisher from the stair well because of lack of training to residents. However they are only there to aid in escape, not to fight a fire. Is there any signage we can put up to negate the FRA or something?

    • 4 replies
    • 4.3k views
  12. Started by Andy62,

    BS5839 Pt 1 2017 requires a zone plan to be displayed at the all FA panels including slave panels. My question is, if the building is small with a single zone is there a requirement to display a zone plan? Reading BS5839 it does not state single zone FA systems are omitted from this requirement and I suppose a single zone plan would actually inform the fire service that an alarm actuation covers the whole building, which is useful from a search and rescue perspective.

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  13. Started by firefly,

    Hello all First post, and it’s a lengthy one. I joined this forum especially to ask this, so please bear with me. It concerns a fire risk assessment, specifically on the type of fire extinguishers required. I'd like people to poke as many holes in this as possible, so do your worst. I’d like to thank in advance any and all who reply. Names of organisations omitted deliberately. I am a chemist, and work in a chemical analysis laboratory, related to law enforcement ? We have approximately 50 litres of solvents in the lab, mostly in 2.5 litre glass Winchester bottles, and appropriately stored in fire-resistant cabinets. (HSE guidance suggests 50 litres …

    • 4 replies
    • 3.8k views
  14. Started by S.Milligan,

    Hello all, I understand the role and responsibilities of a local fire authority fire officer and their powers but what about as an independent risk assessor. What are the implications of completing an inspection where you believe there is a risk to life. I.e chained and padlocked/ blocked fire exits. What can a risk assessor do, so that they can walk away with a clear conscience, if indeed they do walk away before rectifying the situation. You can obviously inform the responsible person verbally. Does it need a follow up e mail, before they get the report? Do you report to the local fire authority, but then are you in breach of GDPR or does that overrid…

    • 1 reply
    • 1.6k views
  15. Guest AdeleO
    Started by Guest AdeleO,

    Do we need to do a fire assessment in a house with converted flats due to the communal areas of stairs and hallways? Also do the solid wood front doors to each flat have to be FD30s with self-closers? The conversions were done post-war.

    • 28 replies
    • 21.4k views
  16. Guest JRS
    Started by Guest JRS,

    Hi, wondering if anybody could help please? My neighbours do no like our kitchen extractor and have covered the outside vent up with a wooden box. The wooden box is on their land in their front garden. I am concerned that this may be a fire hazard. Could somebody advise please? I have added an aerial photo from our upstairs window and a photo taken from our street. Thanks

    • 2 replies
    • 2k views
  17. In existing properties converted into flats with a simultaneous evacuation strategy, is there ever a requirement to sub-divide the roof void/loft space? For example, a four storey mid-terrace Victorian property converted into flats accessed via a single communal stairwell with two flats located at top floor level.

  18. The ground floor storey of a modern purpose built block of flats is separate from the upper storeys. There is an external communal entrance door that leads to a corridor, at the end of which there is a door which leads to a flat lobby with entrance doors to three flats. There is a riser cupboard (with landlord's consumer unit and water pipes) within the entrance corridor and access panels to service duct/risers within the flat lobby. The flats do not have alternative external exits. Is there any guidance that applies to this scenario in relation to means of escape, travel distances, ventilation requirements etc? (for example, is it a case of adapting the guidance …

  19. Started by Al Rutter,

    Hi, you have probably been asked this 1000 times, but I couldn't find an answer so here goes. I have been asked to assess the risk of permanently removing a fire door from an office. The office has a single point of access / egress, through said door, and no window. Once out of the door, turn left 3 meters or right 20 meters to get to Fire exits. The office is manned 24/7. Has the usual Fire detection systems. Fire sources would be from a small kitchen, electrical or paper. Kitchen and bins emptied at least daily. Kitchen generally clean and tidy and bins emptied daily. PAT and Fire System are well maintained. What should I be considering? If the door was…

    • 3 replies
    • 2.3k views
  20. Started by Iain999,

    Small, simple, single story building used as a takeaway, with a reception area for customers at main entrance and comercial kitchen with fire exit for kitchen staff. Approx 1000 - 1500sqft. Thoughts on fire warning/detection requirements within premises?

  21. Guest Guest1957
    Started by Guest Guest1957,

    So, I understand the need for fire risk assessments under the RRO, and previously under the Workplace Regulations, but this is unprecedented times! I undertake FRAs as a sub-contractor, and the company I primarily work for is insisting this is covered under 'essential work' during the coronavirus outbreak, but I don't necessarily agree. If the premises (i.e. all premises were the RRO applies) does not have a FRA, it's no longer valid or there have been significant changes, affecting fire safety, then a FRA must be carried out - no question. However, if a FRA has been completed and is still 'valid', is it necessary to complete a review/new FRA for that premi…

    • 1 reply
    • 1.4k views
  22. Started by Iain999,

    Hi, Was wondering peoples views with regards fire wardens. A small business that has only 2 employees 5 - 10 people in the shop at one time, all on the ground floor? Do they need to be fire warden trained?

    • 2 replies
    • 2.3k views
  23. Guest griff
    Started by Guest griff,

    For 2 standalone maisonettes with an entry/exit via a single external metal staircase would a Fire Risk Assessment required? and if so, practically speaking, given the staircase itself is non-flammable what would an "assessment" entail?

    • 5 replies
    • 2.7k views
  24. Guest griff
    Started by Guest griff,

    For 2 standalone maisonettes with an entry/exit via a single external metal staircase would a Fire Risk Assessment required? and if so, practically speaking, given the staircase itself is non-flammable what would an "assessment" entail?

  25. Guest Dr Beeching
    Started by Guest Dr Beeching,

    Hello Experts I should like your opinions on something if you wouldn`t mind, scenario is: 3 storey build, a house that has disabled living in with full time sleep in carers, so as you would expect, full lighting, alarms, signage, compartmentation etc, however, Top floor is a flat that has an alternative exit of Iron stairs, said stairs pass 2 large windows of 2nd and ground floor, Would you expect the glass of those windows to be Fire resistive to counteract any flame/heat radiating out across stairs from fire below ? Thank you

    • 1 reply
    • 1.8k views

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