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Neil ashdown

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  1. Many fire doors have limitations about what products may be fitted in terms of security locks. Often the lock is allowed only to be installed at a position between 800mm & 1200mm from the bottom edge of the door and there will be a limit to the lock-set dimensions. For this reason many of the fire doors seen with a cylinder night latch rim lock are non-compliant to the door manufacturers' evidence of fire resistance performance. So in terms of the door you have had installed and improving security, it will be necessary to check with the door manufacturer about what type of locks may be fitted and at what positions. Some door leaves do have evidence of fire resistance performance with additional mortice dead locks fitted, but many do not. However, the fire door industry have been aware of this issue for some time therefore dual certification PAS 24 Secure By Design fire doors are available. So when specifying new fire rated flat entrance door-sets, one should add this where it is a requirement.
  2. In a three storey house, in scope of building regulations, doors opening onto the staircase, landings and hallway should be fire doors. This is so that the doors, when closed, would protect the entire escape route from top floor to the entrance door from fire spread. So if the kitchen opens onto that route, then it should have a fire door. Also, any door inside the house to an integral garage should be a thirty minute fire door with self-closer and smoke seals.
  3. Not sure about regulations but the use of intumescent seals dates from the 1980s I believe. This link might help? https://www.ifsa.org.uk/
  4. The guidance document 'BS 8214: 2016 Timber-based fire door assemblies - Code of practice' recommends a gap of 2mm to 4mm, so on this basis 4.2mm would be non-compliant. However, this article may be useful https://afdi.org.uk/fire-door-industry-news/fire-doors-what-is-compliance/
  5. I am not aware of any evidence of fire performance that deals with gaps around hinges but clearly the expectation would be that the mortice work for any door ironmongery should be as tight as possible with no large gaps. Below is from https://www.falconpp.co.uk/media/1328/09_strebord_v91_section_9_hardware_rev_a.pdf so applies to that particular door.
  6. You are correct Kevin, some fire door data sheets fail to deal with this issue. Where this is the case the door leaf should not stand proud of the door frame at any point. Some fire doors have an allowance of 1mm proud - I am yet to see a more generous allowance.
  7. Personally, I would change them because the installation instructions for modern fire doors requires No.8 x 30 / No. 10 x 40 or 50. Also see section 2.3.9 'Hinges' at http://firecode.org.uk/Code_of_Practice_hardware_for_fire_and_escape_doors.pdf
  8. From what you say I would assume that the fire door has no markings or label? If it had/has you could consult the manufacturer's installation instructions or product data sheet for the door leaf and this will provide the specification for hinges. For example, depending on the door core and/or door stiles material, the hinges may need to be No. 10 rather than No.8 and 40mm or 50mm instead of 30mm. So in terms of best practice, check whether the door has timber stiles or is just chipboard with hardwood lipping. A look along the top edge of the door leaf or removal of any mortice lock/latch should reveal which. If the door has timber stiles No. 8 x 30mm should be suitable but if it is solid chipboard throughout use No.10 x 50mm. For the door frame, the screws should not pass through the jamb to the other side and the screw heads should fit correctly in the recesses of the hinge blades. Also check that the middle hinge is central or above in door leaf height.
  9. Lipping thickness spec has come from https://www.falconpp.co.uk/downloads/ but clearly applies to those particular doors so consult the door leaf manufacturer where that's possible. However, where you are unable to do so the information about lipping thickness, adhesives and timber species can be applied as good practice.
  10. This can be a troublesome issue and as you say the gap (according to BS 8214) should be 4mm maximum with the smoke seal fin just in contact with the meeting edge of the opposing leaf. First, make sure that the smoke seal is fitted to one leaf only and not both. Then make sure you are using a single fin smoke seal to reduce friction. If that doesn't work change the self-closer for one that has latching adjustment - the door should close steadily (not fast) and the latching adjustment should pull the door shut at the point where it is almost-closed.
  11. Assuming its a timber-based door - If you are able to consult the installation instructions or data sheet for the fire door leaf you can check that the existing hinges are suitable. If you cannot trace the door leaf manufacturer to do this and the hinges are in good condition you could retain them, although personally I would change them because most timber fire doors have a limit on the dimensions of the hinge knuckle.
  12. There is no legal requirement for the installer to provide a 'certificate of installation'. If this is RBKC policy then you would expect that they would notify you accordingly ahead of the installation work.
  13. There is an NVQ available for fire door installation but it this is not widely taken up, possibly because there are easier tasks and there is currently no statutory requirement to hold a dedicated qualification or certification to be able to install, maintain and inspect fire doors. However, you are correct the industry is working on this so keep an eye on things!
  14. If the cupboard opens onto a protected escape route the door should provide for restricted spread of cold smoke eg. FD30(s) (section 62.12 of Fire Safety in Purpose Built Blocks of Flats at https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1020410/Fire_Safety_in_Purpose_Built_Blocks_of_Flats_Guide.pdf ) From Approved Document B, Appendix C https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/937931/ADB_Vol1_Dwellings_2019_edition_inc_2020_amendments.pdf So if the fire door to a cupboard opens onto a protected escape corridor or stair, the door should provide for restricted spread of cold smoke eg. FD30(s)
  15. A timber-based fire door will have specific requirements for the door frame. Consult the fire door leaf manufacturer's installation data sheet for information about the requirements for the door frame - eg. type of material, density, dimensions, fixings, frame to wall gap and fire-stopping requirements.
  16. Might not be. If the film is on the non fire side of the door and the FR glass is not insulating glass, then heat transfer from fire side to non-fire side could cause the film to flame.
  17. Yes a Pullman latch is spring-loaded so that it retracts when it comes into contact with the strike/keep. So long as you can find a device that is suitable to fit your PVCu door then it should be an improvement on your existing one.
  18. Door blank is the way to go. These are purpose-made for cutting to size and lipping but you must follow the blank manufacturers instructions as regards where abouts you can make the cut, lipping type, lipping thickness and adhesive type. A standard fire door will usually (with few exceptions) be unsuitable for trimming to these heights.
  19. Sections 2.4 and 4.4 of this document https://www.falconpp.co.uk/media/32386/fpp-im-1401-installation-of-fire-rated-doorsets.pdf cover the subject of the gap under the fire door leaf.
  20. Seems as though Building Control are classifying the building as a garage with an adjacent habitable room. That would be a reason for a self-closing FD30(s) door to be required.
  21. Clearly, it would be usual practice to not paint those items. Having said that, it would be interesting to find out what reason has been given not to paint those items. Certainly, it would be detrimental to paint the smoke seals and weather seals.
  22. The main consideration is that many 'standard' fire doors have a strict limit (usually 3mm/4mm max) for trimming the edges to suit an existing door frame. So check the sizes before you buy. Combined intumescent fire and smoke seals can be fitted in the edges of the door leaf or in the frame. Make sure you comply fully with the door leaf manufacturers installation instructions including the self-closing device and sealing the gap between the door frame and the surrounding wall.
  23. Current Building Regulations require that a door between a dwellinghouse and a garage is a self-closing thirty minute fire door with cold smoke seals. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/937931/ADB_Vol1_Dwellings_2019_edition_inc_2020_amendments.pdf Appendix C Various types of smoke seals are available including bat wing, compression, combined intumescent with brush and combined intumescent with a fin or fins. There is guidance about selecting smoke seals for doors here https://www.ifsa.org.uk/documents/
  24. When fitting flush bolts to double leaf doors only the active leaf should be fitted with combined intumescent fire and smoke seals. The flush bolt should be fitted to the slave leaf so that the seals by-pass the flush bolt rather than be interrupted by it.
  25. Hinge blades may be packed with intumescent sheet materials. eg.
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