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Neil ashdown

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  1. You could contact the Housing Standards officer at your local authority. From what you say, it appears your door does not comply with government advice.
  2. The system, as it is, tends not to be helpful to private flat owners. You could start by discussing the matter with your local Certificated Fire Door Inspector. They may be able to help.
  3. You should purchase the glass, gasket materials and glazing beads (retention system) as a complete system. Example of a fire rated glazing system below: 1) FR glass product, 2) gasket/setting system, 3) beading system, 4) fixings (including sizes and centres) and 5) framing. Start by selecting a suitably fire rated glass and consult the relevant fire resistance performance certification for details of the gasket/beading/fixings system that is necessary to suit that particular glass. Various certifications can be found at https://www.warringtoncertification.com/certified-companies/certifire/glass-and-glazing for example.
  4. First find out who manages the block and report the issue to them. Depending on the seriousness of the issue in terms of safety the Responsible Person could be in breach of the Fire Safety Order 2005, if they fail to address the issue. You could seek advice from https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/regulator-of-social-housing/about if you are a tenant or the local fire and rescue service (Community Fire Safety Officer) if you own the flat.
  5. Have you identified which doors need to be fire doors and why?
  6. This information may help you to carry out your fire risk assessment https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/safety/the-workplace/pubs-bars-and-clubs/
  7. Neil ashdown replied to a post in a topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
    I would certainly have the doors repaired, if not replaced. But for advice contact the door manufacturer. Otherwise contact the Door & Hardware Federation to find a competent maintenance & repairs company metal fire doors.
  8. The requirements are that: The fire door must self-close completely and reliably to the door frame rebate stop. The maximum delay for self-closing, according to EN1154, is 25 seconds. Information at http://firecode.org.uk/Code of Practice 2009 Issue 3.pdf If a fire door is banging shut, this matter should be reported so that a competent maintenance operative can adjust or replace the self-closing device. It could be that the self-closing-device has lost fluid or that adjustment of the controls is required.
  9. The requirement for smoke seals is based on the needs in terms of fire strategy at the building. For example, fire escape routes would benefit greatly from restricted spread of smoke as would sleeping areas. Having the door type (steel/timber) alone reveals nothing about any requirement for smoke seals.
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    Neil ashdown replied to a post in a topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
    Clearly, if you remove a lock and leave a hole in the door it should be repaired. This can be done by a competent person but the door manufacturer's fire performance certification is likely to be void due to the lack of evidence of fire resistance performance in a 'repaired state'.
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    Neil ashdown replied to a post in a topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
    Current building regulations are here https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/937931/ADB_Vol1_Dwellings_2019_edition_inc_2020_amendments.pdf Appendix C Fire Doors, paragraph C5 deals with self-closing fire doors:
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    Neil ashdown replied to a post in a topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
    Consult a competent fire door inspector. They would examine the fire door assembly and then be able to advise about what can be done to improve its likely fire/smoke resistance performance. But remember, even after the works have been done a nominal door is still a nominal door.
  13. The maximum gap at the threshold for a timber-based fire door should be 10mm. Therefore you may need to fit a ramped threshold plate to the floor. Where restricted smoke spread is a requirement the maximum threshold gap is 3mm. Therefore, you may need to re-lip the bottom edge of the door, fit a ramped threshold plate and a threshold smoke seal.
  14. There is no reference to the use of PVC architraves in the BS 8214: 2016 Timber-based fire door assemblies - code of practice. So with reference to Flat Entrance Doors (often composite construction) I would consult the door manufacturer. Doors in communal areas are likely to be timber-based doors, therefore I would use timber-based architraves.
  15. Timber-based fire doors are tested for fire resistance (to BS 476 Part 22 / BSEN 1634-1) not for surface spread of flame. Therefore you may paint them. In any case water-based paints are very good, easy to use and available in a good range of colours these days.
  16. If you are changing the door from the house to the integral garage it would be advisable to install a self-closing fire resisting door with restricted smoke spread. If you don't want to do that, you could contact a competent consultant to see whether the works you are undertaking fall under the scope of building regulations https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/901517/Manual_to_building_regs_-_July_2020.pdf
  17. From what you say, it seems the self-closing devices have been incorrectly installed or possibly poorly adjusted. Contact a competent fire door installer / maintainer for assistance.
  18. There are UKAS accredited fire door installation schemes for companies and separately there are fire door installation training courses for individuals.
  19. The Rutland trouble shooting guide is here https://www.rutlanduk.co.uk/data/607dd7c17c49d.pdf
  20. https://www.ifsa.org.uk/documents/ is the place to look for fact sheets, information and guidance about intumescent seals and smoke seals.
  21. Be careful with like for like! Do not assume that what was originally installed is compliant.
  22. With the foam tape fitted, will the door self-close completely to the rebate stop of the door frame and so that the latch bolt engages fully? What happens when you try to burn the foam tape?
  23. Batwing type seals are available for use with fire resisting doors. This type of seal fits inside the door frame rebate so you have to ensure they can be fitted without affecting the self-closing action of the door. There are single wing versions too.
  24. When replacing the lock cylinder, to a timber-based fire resisting door, ensure that the new cylinder is suitably fire rated and that the mortice work around the cylinder is tight with no gaps. If it isn't, repair with timber/rock wool/intumescent mastic as necessary. There is no legal requirement to obtain certification particular to this this work. OTHER BRANDS ARE AVAILABLE
  25. Yes, consult the manufacturer this type of hinge is special purpose such as below:

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