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Why do I need a door closer?

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Hi timbo,

To achieve compliance the self-closer you install must be to minimum power-size 3 to BS EN 1154.  Select a self-closer that has power adjustment up to size 4 or 5 with adjustment for both closing speed from fully open to almost closed as well separate adjustment for the latching action.

This type of self-closer, correctly adjusted, will close the door correctly overcoming any latch bolt resistance and close quickly enough to satisfy your requirements.

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Guest LondonMan

Hi, a little self close door advice needed please!

I live in a flat in a converted Victorian townhouse which has three dwellings. The two upstairs flats are accessed by means of an external staircase to the first floor, then an external door to a small hallway containing the two internal private doors to the two flats (the third flat has their own door on the ground floor).

This external door has never had a self door closer in the 16 years I've been here and the freeholder (who happens to live downstairs) decided to install a self door closer on this external door without informing or asking either leaseholder. Neither leaseholder for either of the upstairs flats asked for or wanted the freeholder to install this device.

Is it law that it needs to be there? Am I within my rights to ask him to remove it

Thanks

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Guest Mary B

Hi

I live in a first floor flat in a retirement block. The front door has a self closer, but until recently the carpet was causing the door to stick. The house manager has now insisted on shaving the bottom of the door, with the result that the door now has a considerable gap underneath. In fact, at night you can see the landing light around all three sides of the door. So if there is a fire, smoke can still enter the flat around the edges of the door. In fact two of my neighbours smoke heavily, the corridor is always smoky, and the smell gets into my flat. I know the regulations are all about door closers and don't actually cover gaps round the door which allow smoke to enter, but is there anything that can be done about this? I've spoken to the house manager, but he just shrugs and says there's nothing he can do.  He is only concerned about regulations, not about actual health and safety.

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Hi Mary B,

There is indeed a requirement to take measures to restrict the amount of smoke that can pass under or around a fire door. Failure to do so is a breach of the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005.

If the fire door leaf has been trimmed at its bottom edge so that the gap between the bottom of the door leaf and the threshold is more than 3mm then the threshold strip on the floor will have to be increased in height accordingly.   Alternatively a maximum gap of 10mm is allowed but a smoke seal must be fitted to the bottom of the door leaf to fill the gap.

The fire door should also, of course, have effective cold-smoke seals to seal the gap between the door leaf and the door frame at the top edge and both vertical edges. Guidance is available in BS 9991 Fire safety in the design, management and use of residential buildings Code of practice and BS8214 Timber-based fire door assemblies. Code of practice. Also more information can be found at www.ifsa.org.uk 

You should inform the House Manager without delay.

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Guest Mary B
On ‎13‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 19:02, Neil Ashdown CertFDI said:

Hi Mary B,

There is indeed a requirement to take measures to restrict the amount of smoke that can pass under or around a fire door. Failure to do so is a breach of the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005.

If the fire door leaf has been trimmed at its bottom edge so that the gap between the bottom of the door leaf and the threshold is more than 3mm then the threshold strip on the floor will have to be increased in height accordingly.   Alternatively a maximum gap of 10mm is allowed but a smoke seal must be fitted to the bottom of the door leaf to fill the gap.

The fire door should also, of course, have effective cold-smoke seals to seal the gap between the door leaf and the door frame at the top edge and both vertical edges. Guidance is available in BS 9991 Fire safety in the design, management and use of residential buildings Code of practice and BS8214 Timber-based fire door assemblies. Code of practice. Also more information can be found at www.ifsa.org.uk 

You should inform the House Manager without delay.

Thank you so much, that is so helpful. I'll do that right away.

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