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Tom Sutton

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  1. Because the fire doors may set due to the weight on the hinges and when they are required, the door could jamb, preventing them closing. Allowing them to close during the night ,at a time when the the facility is unlikely to be used, is a fair solution, a better idea is to have the self closer adjusted.
  2. I cannot see any problems with a rim lock but barrel bolts are a no no because any person could open them and leave them open defeating the purpose of a fire resisting enclosure.
  3. Tom Sutton

    Flat or Maisonette

    I think most people on this forum are involved in English and Welsh fire law, with the Scottish/Northern Ireland fire laws so different, to get involved in more than one would need a lot of research, which would be outside to scope of many of us. However I did find this which may be of use https://www.gov.scot/publications/fire-safety-risk-assessment-forms-and-guidance/.
  4. The Responsible Person in each unit is the employer as detailed in The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 article 3 which requires them to conduct a Fire Risk Assessment and fit a fire alarm if necessary. If you choose to take over any of these duties you would be considered responsible as the Person Having Control. (article 5.3)
  5. The normal lighting is used daily and any defects or low standards will be known quickly and under the Health and Safety at Work Act they will be required to correct the situation. The emergency lighting will only operate if the normal lighting fails, so there is no way of knowing if it is defective until it is tested or maintenance and is subject to The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. This forum is a fire safety forum not a health and safety forum so we tend to concentrate on emergency lighting.
  6. I am not aware of such a document but I would imagine the are other similar situations. It is now all about fire risk assessment so if you are experience enough simply apply fire safety principles and active fire safety devices.
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    Fire doors in HMO

    In a single domestic property all the rooms off the escape route has a FD 20 fire doors with no self closes and the front door has no fire resistance because once through the front door you are unlikely to put your neighbours to any risk. In a flat all the rooms off the escape route has a FD 20 fire doors with no self closes and the front door, also any risk rooms are FD30s fire doors to prevent a fire in your flat putting you fellow tenants to any risk. In an HMO the front door to your bed/sit and any risk rooms have FD30s, c/w s/c, fire door to prevent a fire in your bed/sit putting your fellow tenants to any risk, it is all about the degree of risk.
  8. The Responsible Person defined in The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 is required to conduct a fire risk assessment and this document will instruct you which doors are required to be fire doors. If you need to know which doors need to be upgraded or repaired, you need the services of a fire door inspector check out Fire Door Inspection service or similar organisation.
  9. It is a fire drill, so knowing how people react is important so there should be a number of people not involved in the drill (wearing a high viz coat) but checking what is happening so they can give a good report at the debrief, every body else should act if it was for real. Remember this is not a legal requirement so anybody who chooses not to take part you have no legal powers.
  10. Originally panic bars were only used in places of public assemble and where not used for normal access/exit, the main doors were used instead. As the main doors had to cope with the total occupancy, there was an extra amount of exit width and it was considered the chance of a panic was low because of the choice of the number of exits available. In an emergency most would be exiting via the emergency exits where it was considered a panic might happen, so emergency exits were fitted with panic bars and not the main doors, but not always. Over the years they started to be used in many buildings, usually on emergency fire exit doors which were only used for emergencies, now days it is all about risk assessment and as a rule of thumb AB,s used by 60 or more is reasonable.
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    Fire Doors

    You can, but the old one has to be removed and the new fitted in accordance with the manufactures fire test certificate. (global risk assessment)
  12. I am not aware of any guidance to assist you but you could use the purpose built guide which has this problem highlighted and apply it with your fire risk head fixed on.
  13. It could be argued that it is a two storey, flat on ground floor and a maisonette on the first/second floor requiring grade D (interlinked) in the common area with a heat fire alarm in each occupancy, with a grade D in each tenancy not interlinked. But it is all about risk assessment and the guides could be ignored, it depends how concerned you are about the situation.
  14. Yes the doors across escape corridors are smoke stop doors to ensure you do not have to travel more than 18 m in smoke conditions, check out ARCHITECTURAL AND SPECIALIST DOOR MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION BEST PRACTICE GUIDE TO TIMBER FIRE DOORS section 14 Smoke control door seals.
  15. I think so because people on the third floor do not have a window escape available (too high) therefore an enhanced fire alarm is required. I think it would depend on the separation (60 mins) between the basement flat and the rest and if I was in the basement flat I would want to know if the rest of building was involved in fire.
  16. Surf the web "fire door training courses" I am sure you will find something useful here is an example, www.firedoorscomplete.co.uk .
  17. A surveyor maybe able to advise you, I am not sure but for the cost of an independent Fire Door Inspector you should contact Fire Door Inspection service.
  18. Apart from not being wired into the consumer unit, so it can be isolated, to work on the system, as I think it should, you haven't mentioned BS 7273-4 as AB suggested.
  19. I am not aware of anytime for a fire log book needs to be kept, but I would want to be able to check the previous test/maintenance and the longest frequency would be the 5 years for extinguishers, (except CO 2), so I think 5 years would be a reasonable time considering many organisations use this time period.
  20. It is impossible to identify the blue door without some form of documentation or label but based on the number you gave for the door provided, check out https://www.howdens.com/joinery/doors/howdens-spey-flush-fire-door-fd30-obj-sku-family-11831290, if it is, then it provide a lot of information.
  21. Brush cold smoke seals are fitted to a fire doors and then subject to BS 476: Part 31: Section 31.1. if it passes the BS then that cold seal is considered acceptable.
  22. This is a legal matter not a fire safety matter, it looks like the Responsible Person as defined by The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 has been required to upgrade the front fire doors of each flat and is charging the tenants of each flat for the work carried out. Who pays should be contained in any agreements you have and this is the job of a solicitor.
  23. The regulation that covers the common areas, of your premises is The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 article 13 which basically says if necessary you should fit a fire alarm. If it is required, the guidance to use is BS 5839 part 6. A grade A should be installed with smoke detection in the common areas and a heat detector in the hallway of each flat. This is very basic information and you should discuss this with a competent fire alarm installer. The EN 54 Fire detection and fire alarm systems is a mandatory standard that specifies requirements and laboratory test for every component of fire detection and fire alarm system and it allows the free movement of construction products between countries of the European Union market.
  24. What is the direction of opening of the doors and the widths? Check out the appropriate guides including for disabled persons in https://www.firesafe.org.uk/regulatory-reform-fire-safety-order-2005/ .
  25. Regarding the operational incident you remarked on, it is normal procedure to set up a bridge head on a lower floor and keep the fire floor clear for firefighting. As for the hose getting stuck under the door, problems regularly happen and has to be resolved quite often with damage occurring. I am afraid being involved in a fire is not a pleasant situation and quite often leaves problems to be resolved. As for the fire safety officer's visit I can understand your concerns and you could complain to the senior fire safety officer at headquarters to see what he/she comes up with. If it is the fire doors you are concerned with you could contact Fire Door Inspection Service and have them inspected, getting a full m report on each door which you could give to the SFSO to ask him/her what they will do. If you still want a fire risk assessor you can surf the web in your local area, using A Guide to Choosing a Competent Fire Risk Assessor to ensure you get a competent person.
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