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Tom Sutton

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  1. I know fire alarms detectors have been triggered by steam so it is possible that a CO detector could be also. I also agree your reasoning is sound and while you are getting a replacement buy a second CO detector, resulting having two detectors which makes sense in helping you decide if it is a false alarm, one operating needs investigating, two get immediately and call the gas emergency services. I also know in an effort to reduce false alarms in fire alarm systems multiply detectors heads are used and if only one detector operates the system will indicate a false alarm, it needs at least two, to trigger the fire alarm. I know when detecting a fire there are a number of methods that can be used, smoke, heat and CO and there is only one for detecting CO, so it is not quite the same, but it could be argued having two CO detectors kind of follows that reasoning. As for immediate action that is for you to decide, everybody will see it differently.
  2. This forum is about giving fire safety advice not pricing, which will vary greatly depending where in the country you live, so I would suggest you you get a number of quotes locally, study them, and this should indicate a fair price.
  3. It would all depend on the compartmentation between premises I would suggest you employ a fire risk assessor to conduct a FRA, with the need of a fire alarm top of the list, you would certainly need a fire alarm but which type would depend on the size of the premises. Your last FRA what did it say about the need of a fire alarm.
  4. I would agree with you bunting, tote bags, home decorations from textiles are not covered by the regulations and you could label them as you choose, but the seat pads are subject to the regs and the guidance states, The regulatory requirement for scatter cushions and seat pads is that the filling material only must satisfy the relevant ignition test and each individual item must bear a reduced information permanent label. For scatter cushions which are provided with a fitted and non-removable decorative cover the requirement is that a permanent label is attached securely to an exterior surface (often attached to the seam). However, there has been some confusion when the scatter cushion interior pad has been supplied with a zip-on removable cover. This is because the required label refers only to the filling materials for scatter cushions and there are no requirements for the fire resistance of the cover. Hence, if the label is fitted to the zip-on cover and subsequently the cover and filling become separated, or the cover ends up on a different filling, the label would be inaccurate. Enforcement officers accept labels fixed to the interior pads of scatter cushions and suggest that the label protrudes through a partly open zip at the point of sale so it is visible. Therefore I would deduce that because you are using a zip, a reduced information permanent label be fitted to the pad and the label protrudes through a partly open zip at the point of sale so it is visible. Check out Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the home A Guide to the UK Regulations FIRA
  5. I think you have taken the correct action contacting the manufacturer and I would contact the fire service they may fit a replacement.
  6. No, there is no such article that in The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 that requires this, but if you speak nicely to the Responsible Person he/she may let you view it.
  7. IMO this situation is acceptable and if the fire originated in this area, this exit door would most probably not used. The only criticism is the fire exit sign, I believe another one should be fixed on the front of the racking opposite the door, pointing to the exit door. A further observation the exit sign above the door would better indicate the door if it was an illuminated sign.
  8. A fixed ramp would be preferred but if it is impossible or impractical the a temporary system could be acceptable but check it out with your fire risk assessor or Fire and Rescue Service, fire prevention department.
  9. Providing the gates are closed I cannot see how it would affect self or assisted rescue from the escape window and at the time it is likely to be required it is more than likely it will be closed for security reasons. The most likely means of escape from a escape window would be assisted therefore not a problem and providing a effective fire alarm is installed the principle MoE is likely to be used.
  10. I do not fully understand your question.
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    Insufficient information you would need to provide a full details of the type, layout and preferable the premises need a professional fire safety survey to give you a full answer to your question.
  12. That is a reasonable interpretation of the regulations but it could be argued that is fine when you are acquiring it (buying it) not when you are selling it. The problem is that it is badly written and composed, that is why they are revising it but taking their time to implement it, why?
  13. Have you checked your user manual, it appears the red light flashing every 10 secs indicates reduced sensitivity and should clear after about 10 mins, if it doesn't try pressing the silence button, then wait ten mins. Silence Feature All the Smoke Alarms have a combined Test/Silence Button to help you control nuisance/false alarms. 1. To silence a nuisance/false alarm, press the Test/ Silence Button located on the cover. The Alarm will automatically switch to a reduced sensitivity condition for a 10 minute period (very large levels of smoke from a nearby fire will override the silence period). The unit will flash the red light every 10 seconds (instead of the normal 40 seconds) to indicate the sensitivity is reduced. On interconnected Alarms, pressing the Test/Silence Button on the one sensing smoke (i.e. the one with the red light flashing every second) will silence all alarms. Pressing the Silence Button on any other Alarm will not silence the alarm. 2. The unit will reset to normal sensitivity at the end of the silenced period. Nuisance
  14. There are maximum distances to exiting a building they are travel distances which can be found in the guidance designed for you premises. To my knowledge there is no required distance to a fire assembly point from the final exit door other than applying common sense it needs to be located far enough away from the building not to interfere with firefighting operations and be safe but near enough to keep in contact with the Fire and Rescue Service.
  15. Tom Sutton

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    I doubt that there is anybody on this forum who can give definitive advice on planning permission withdrawal I think you should look for advice from those that fully understand the system. Check out https://www.gov.uk/planning-permission-england-wales/appeals which may help and you could search the web for those that can help.
  16. I am not sure what your question is and the question dated 25/1/2019 I believe was answered clearly to a satisfactory level.
  17. It is a mute point whether a private seller is subject to Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the home A Guide to the UK Regulations but I believe he/she does therefore the sale is illegal, try reporting it to the https://www.gov.uk/find-local-trading-standards-office see what they have to say.
  18. A push bar fire exit door is simple a final exit door fitted with a panic bar which should be only required in certain situations. Using it as an entrance/exit door is not practical because most panic bars can only be opened from the inside. So consequently is usually used as an exit door but if it can be opened from the outside there is no reasons, that I am aware of it could be used as an exit/entrance door.
  19. I am afraid there is no answer, intermittent faults are notoriously difficult to solve. It could be electronic, dust, minute flying insects, a small CO gas cloud from a domestic appliance or car exhausts entered through an open window, I believe it is anybody's guess. One way of solving the problem is to have two detectors located some distance from each other and if both operated it is more likely to be a dangerous genuine leak of CO, but even that could not be guaranteed. Have you contacted the manufacturer they may be able to help.
  20. It is a legal requirement The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005, article 17 Maintenance and you need evidence to prove you are complying in case you end up in court.
  21. The employers are the RP of their workplace as defined by The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 article 3 and not the owners or managing agents. You design the MoE for able bodied persons and then make special arrangements for the disabled and only a manual fire alarm systems is required unless there is special risks or the owners require it for property protection.
  22. It appears you do not understand The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 RR(FS)0 and it is the Responsible Person (RP) who has to implement the order. Article 3 defines who the RP is and in the case of flats it is the owner/owners who is/are the RP or they can employ a managing agents to take on the RP job. The RP has to implement the RR(FS)O which includes conducting a FRA also ensuring the significant findings are rectified. This means you need to establish who the RP is and deal with them, if you cannot get satisfaction contact the local Fire and Rescue Service who are the enforcing authority who can conduct an audit. The costs will be included in your tenants agreement and most probably include all the community work thats needs to be carried out. Any insurance matters, take it up with your insurance company.
  23. If the kitchen is an enclosed habitable room in most cases the answer would be, it is not acceptable but to give a definitive rely you would need to give more information including a layout, preferably have it surveyed by a fire risk assessor.
  24. I am assuming this door is locked using a magnetic lock therefore it is subject to BS 7273-4 and requires a manual release which looks like a manual call point box but coloured green. Check out the above BS for more information.
  25. Riser ducts have fire risk from both sides and fire doors are fitted to prevent a fire passing from a riser duct to the escape route and visa versa consequent I my opinion rim locks would not be suitable. For more information check out http://www.firecode.org.uk/Code_of_Practice_hardware_for_fire_and_escape_doors.pdf page 60.
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