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There is nothing stopping you locking this door, although it would be advisable to have a lock that can be opened from the inside without a key to allow emergency escape. The fitting of the lock should not compromise the integrity of the fire door so should follow the door manufacturers instructions.
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Single 12.5mm plasterboard with a plaster skim used to be the standard for 30 minutes fire resistance a long time ago but the current manufacturers guidance based on testing is that you now need to use 2 x 12.5mm. However there are different material combinations for different situations, the British Gypsum White Book (https://www.british-gypsum.com/specification/white-book-specification-selector/white-book-overview) is a useful reference. You should contact your Building Control department as they will have a minimum spec they will accept.
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Chairs in village hall without fire retardant label
AnthonyB replied to Scotia's topic in Passive Fire Protection
Commercial use is different to domestic - guidance is here https://www.fira.co.uk/technical-information/flammability/fire-safety-of-furniture-and-furnishings-in-the-contract-and-non-domestic-sectors -
The requirement for internal fire doors to self close in dwellings was removed a long time ago so the previous occupier will have legitimately removed them. You should of course try and keep the doors closed where possible, especially at night.
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If they are on an internal door you can cut the chains - it used to be a requirement to fit these a long time ago, but this was dropped some years ago.
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Grade F systems only have a single power supply and are more prone to removal and failure. The robust nature of a Grade D system is why it is now the norm and the use of Grade F equipment is being phased out slowly as legislation requires more and more places to have Grade D (or higher) when built, rewired or altered. Wireless linked systems are the norm and the old need for linking physically with bell cable is long gone
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HI, For full detail you would need to appoint someone to prepare such a specification but to avoid you ending up with over provision: - Your description suggests the conversion will comply with the current edition of Approved Document B or BS9991 with the requisite fire compartmentation - This in turn suggests a stay put approach - Flats would have their own separate & self contained smoke/heat alarms to BS5839-6 - You do not need any form of common fire alarm system - You only require smoke detectors to open the smoke vent, no sounders, no call points - Despite it being common (& lucrative) practice there is no need to provide a separate fire detection system to activate the vent - there are several manufacturers of smoke vent equipment where all the required detectors, manual controls, etc can be directly connected the the vent controls with out the need for a fire alarm control panel etc - One example: https://aov-direct.co.uk/product/ventec-ostro-1m2-gfa-stairwell-aov-kit/ - This way you won't have to pay for installation of and pay for ongoing testing of equipment you don't need, just the smoke control system and no unnecessary components that aren't correct for stay put.
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30 minutes protection would usually be accepted and you could potentially uprate the existing cupboard using intumescent card, paper or paints
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Victorian house, converted into flats in 1980s
AnthonyB replied to Ian W's topic in Fire Risk Assessments
The FRA would consider if the upper floors are at risk from a fire in your flat, i.e. if you have sufficient fire separation. -
How can you stop children from a childcare centre leaving through a fire exit?
AnthonyB replied to a topic in Fire Exits
Locking isn't usually OK if it requires reliance on a code or key. Kitchens are dangerous environments for children and I'd be more worried that they got in the kitchen and that door should be the first point of concern - child gates, access control, etc -
Fire Alarm System for 3 storey owner owned flats.
AnthonyB replied to Rod's topic in Fire Alarm Systems
The premises require a Fire Risk Assessment which should answer this - a key factor is the fire compartmentation or otherwise which will have a big impact on what, if anything, is required -
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No, there is no requirement for any interaction, the commercial system can be self contained.
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Building regulations - unvented pressurised water cylinder
AnthonyB replied to Jon71's topic in Fire Risk Assessments
If you think it complies there is always this option: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/building-regulations-determinations -
Unless you are in Scotland it's at their own risk really - you can't enforce it, only any provision required for the common good, hence why they have the common detector & sounder in the hallway but not a domestic one. If they asked for a Home Fire Safety visit by the fire service they would potentially get a Grade F1 smoke alarm fitted free if it's a cost thing, but otherwise if they want to risk their lives that's their choice as the required provisions to protect others are in place. Read your lease though - it might have something out of the ordinary that you could use.
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You need a fire risk assessment by a competent person to decide this (by law you should have one already anyway!). The front doors are a problem (heritage doors can be upgraded to suit listed status, but just because the Building is listed doesn't mean all interior elements are - check the listing). You might need an alarm (especially with the current doors), but then again you may be able to avoid this. The nature of the fire separation between ground and first floor would be a factor too. I'd need to see it really - you might not need much but equally you might need loads too!
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Not generally if the protected hallway isn't compromised as you say and no third room exits via the lounge/kitchen
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Bathrooms don't need fire doors, it's clear in Building Regulations. The kitchen would, you will struggle to find a compliant sliding door solution though. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/937931/ADB_Vol1_Dwellings_2019_edition_inc_2020_amendments.pdf
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Flat fire door for private entrance
AnthonyB replied to Nibarb's topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
Yes, as this was a requirement before Grenfell. The block owner now has absolute not implied legal responsibility for assessing the suitability of flat front doors and where they don't meet government guidance can be considered automatically in breach of the legislation when the Fire Safety Act. Rising butt hinges have not been accepted since 2011 in guidance and so it would be correct to replace. I don't know who the Fire Depot are, but as the fire service don't enforce fire safety in flats nor generally have the resources to check individual flats annually through their Community Safety checks (which is done by staff who specialise in domestic fire prevention and not the general block regulations) but just because they don't raise an issue doesn't mean the need to change is wrong. -
What age are these flats? As the actual flat is outside the scope of the Fire Safety Order what is your brief for dealing with the internal layout - is the flat owner wanting them checked as part of a type 3 FRA or for Housing Act compliance?
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What will it be built from?
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The official guidance is here: https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.uk/write/MediaUploads/NFCC Guidance publications/Protection/09062018_NFCC_Mobility_Scooter_Guidance_Final.pdf A lounge that is a separate sub compartment from the escape routes as you describe is far better than being on the corridors or stairs, but is still not ideal - a purpose built area is always preferred. This may not be practicable of course, which is where true risk assessment comes in - as I haven't been and assessed your premises I can't say for sure it's tolerable or that there is no viable alternative, but it's certainly not the worst location I've seen.
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Normally a stud wall with 12.5mm plasterboard either side, if correctly built and fitted would achieve 30 minutes. Usually edges needs to be taped and sealed or a plaster skim applied as well
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Can an openable window be fitted to an internal wall?
AnthonyB replied to CARL S's topic in Fire Prevention
You've answered your own question. You could in theory have a fire resistant fixed window and a separate ventilation grille with a combined fire/smoke damper linked to the fire alarm in the wall, but they wouldn't be up for the cost of all that I suspect...