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Yes or it wouldn't have been built that way.

If it's in the FRA it would relate to common areas for which the Local Authority does not have jurisdiction (they cover inside dwellings)- the Fire & Rescue Service are the enforcing body via their Business Fire Safety department (not always the local station as they may not have a base there). Anything serious that could lead to a danger of death or serious injury would attract enforcement action if not completed. They will not be bothered about lesser breaches which, whilst the risk assessor has to correctly identify to make their assessment legally sufficient, aren't severe enough to reach the enforcement threshold.

You've answered your own question. As a front door has to be an FD30S with cold smoke seals an intumescent grille is not suitable as it gives no cold smoke protection, you would need a combined fire and smoke damper and associated detection which would be unrealistic.

Sometimes they are put in, but as not part of a protected entrance hall you don't have to.

Class A fires aren't electrical, they are ordinary solid combustibles, wood, paper, textiles, etc. Class B is flammable liquids Class C is flammable gases (but you don't have to cover these as ordinary users aren't meant to tackle gas fires due to the explosion risk, you just shut off the supply) Class D is reactive flammable metals (sodium, magnesium, etc) Class F is cooking oils. Electricity isn't a fire class as it isn't a fuel, just a safety consideration when choosing extinguishers. The basic level of cover a premises requires is for Class A fires and the number required is based on floor area. For example a 200sq.m. floor gets a floor fire rating of 13A (multiply the floor area by 0.065) Extinguishers bear a test rating dependant on the size of fire they can put out - a common test rating is 13A so for a 200sq.m floor you would need one, 400 sq.m. 2, etc although you can use high performance extinguishers - some are rated to 27A. The main risks in a hair salon are Class A (solids) and the risk where the solid item on fire is electrical, usually the amount of liquids, whilst present, is negligible. The traditional way is with a water spray extinguisher for the Class A risk and a CO2 for the electrical (CO2 also has a Class B rating so deals with any flammable liquids). Most salons, based on size only require one of each or two of each at best. https://www.safelincs.co.uk/ultrafire-2kg-co2-fire-extinguisher/ https://www.safelincs.co.uk/ultrafire-6ltr-water-fire-extinguisher/ Government guidance encourages the consideration of using multipurpose water based extinguishers to simplify things (you can get water based extinguishers safe in electrical fires) and water mist is another option (Good on Class A, F & electrical plus can deal with small Class B risks): https://www.safelincs.co.uk/6-litre-water-mist-fire-extinguisher/ If you want to avoid the hassle (& sales pitch) of an extinguisher supply & maintenance firm you can also get long life extinguishers which the user can inspect: https://www.safelincs.co.uk/britannia-p50-6ltr-water-mist/

It all depends on what is stated on the FRA, some are notes and nice to haves and there is no legal requirement to complete them. I wouldn’t have thought that a MMO would have ignored that considering they could charged you the cost + to complete the works. If you have serious concerns take the FRA to the local fire station and ask them

Thanks for the clarification Anthony. Much appreciated. 🙂 Tim

What I'm saying is that you don't - there is no risk for which they suit. The only reason you see them where there are no frying appliances or hobs (in some situations just a sink & kettle) is the sales tactics of some service companies or end users not knowing any better.

I live in a flat that i own the leasehold of. There have been two FRAs one in 2019 and one in 2021, i had the local council conduct one when i moved in last April. There are issuses some notified as urgent and some lesser ones but all are being ignored. When i asked the local council if they would enforce the issue's he also reported, he said there was nothing they could do. So who do i go to to take action against the property management company .... or whats the point of FRAs

Hiya. I have a two bedroom end house home , we only have a front door, no back door. Does this meet fire safeguarding regulations?

It all depends on what the Hospitals requirement is. If they want TRADA then you need to send the inspector on a TRADA course

Are you looking for Third party Certification for fire door installation work for your business OR are you looking to have a site manager trained on how fire doors should be installed, inspected and verified as compliant? You might need both, depending on your clients' requirements.

The purpose of a smoke seal is to restrict the spread of cold smoke. The dimensions of the seal is not related to the fire rating of the door. Refer to Building Regulations Approved Document B, Appendix C 'Fire Doors' for the requirements. See Table C1 and Notes 2 There is also useful information about smoke seals at https://www.ifsa.org.uk/

Hi, newbie with little experience. I'm quite interested in the doors not closing fully due to pressure. Had a few sites I worked at with the same problem. The pressure kept changing each day so when you adjust the closer the door use to slam hard on occasions. I was wondering if compliment to the fire door manufacturer instructions, if a intermisent grill at the bottom of door 3 would be acceptable or would this leave an issue open for cold smoke?

Just out of interest, would the right hand side diagram have a fire door in the kitchen compartment?

Hi, I'm new to this site and no means an expert in any way and belive that no matter what reply you get it will always lead back to the right advice from Mike in getting an qualified risk assessor to come out in person to tell you that you may need. That way your have peace on mind in knowing the right answer. Having said that, I'd love to hear updates on this subject so we can learn more. Out of interest is there and small stamps with a arrow color on the old doors. Similar to the photo I've attached to the bottom

Hi, currently studying to become a fire risk assessor. A friend has allowed me to carry out a non real/practice risk assessment on a hair salon in a few days. I was quite interested in getting advice of the types of fire extinguishers that are suitable for this shop. A likely area of interest is the small work area each staff has on the shelf that has the combined fire risk of Class A. Electrical ie, hair dry, heating tongs. Class B. Liquid flammable hair product. Class C. Aresol can hair spray. All of with would likely be all together. My question is what two extinguishers would you recommend having in the store. Im guessing C02 would be a shore thing but what would be the other? Would you recommend water or would foam be more better due to being acceptable on class B too. Thanks guys

We are renovating a 3 storey victorian terrace for bed and breakfast use. I'm struggling to find guidance for 3 storey, but know it is different from the small paying guest accommodation regulations. Do all doors need to be FD30 and does this mean we need to install new door frames as well, or is it only the doors on the stairway that need to be fire doors (and frames)? If we have a lounge door in a corridor near the front door does this need to be a fire door? We will be getting an assessment, but want to get on with the works so that the assessment should, hopefully just be a sign off, and as yet cannot find the regulations we need to follow. Thank you

Hi all, looking for you thoughts and comments on the following. BS9999 2017 notes that ''normal lighting'' should be maintained in fire fighting shafts. this is noted as being served by a secondary power supply. its not very explicit but my question is do you need to maintain the normal lighting LUX levels in fire fighting shafts in emergency conditions i.e failure of the primary supply? i have reviewed BS5266 and it does not mention this requirement. also is a fire fighting shaft the same as a fire fighting stair? BS999 extracts below. thanks in advance. g) Any electrical substation or enclosures containing any distribution board, generator, powered smoke control plant, pressurization plant, communication equipment, and any other equipment associated with life safety and fire protection systems, should be separated from the building by construction with a duration of fire resistance of not less than 2 h. h) Secondary power supplies should be provided for the following: 1) sprinkler pumps; 2) wet riser pumps; 3) firefighters lifts; 4) fire-fighting shafts (associated equipment and normal lighting); 5) fire-fighting intercommunications installations; 6) pressurization fans (air supply and pressure relief); 7) depressurization fans (air supply and pressure relief); smoke control system; Also 28 Electrical services Electrical installations, wiring systems, primary and secondary power supplies for firefighters lift installations and any other fire-fighting facilities associated with the fire-fighting shaft should be in accordance with both 37.2.3 and the following. Other lifts in the fire-fighting shaft may be fed from the same primary supply, provided that: a) the supply is adequate for this purpose; and b) arrangements are such that a fault occurring in any other lift in the fire-fighting shaft or power supplies will not affect in any way the operation of the firefighters lift. The secondary supply should be of sufficient capacity to: 1) maintain in operation: • the firefighters lift and its ancillary equipment; • normal lighting and other services within the fire-fighting shaft;

I have been asked to send one of our site managers on a couse which enables him to sign off fire door installation etc. We purchase the fire doors via a company to build the doors and we install them in hospitals where we are currently carrying out refurbishements. Could you advise the best course for our site manager to attend to gain a certificate to sign these fire doors off please.

Hi Anthony in one sentence you say they are needed and in the next say as long as there are extinguishers……. could you clarify please. thanks Tim

Hi, I have to install a batwing smoke seal to a FD120 timber doorset and wanted to know if there is a specific size I have to use? I wanted to use the 10x10mm seals as this would mean I wouldn’t have to move the door stop back as much as the bigger seals. Is 10x10mm acceptable? I’m unable to find any information that tells me 10mm cannot be used.

No fixed duration, just long enough to be able to check all fittings have illuminated. For example if an installation has separate test switches for each room, corridor section, stair, etc then it could be very short, e.g. a small room with one or two fittings and a test switch might only take a few seconds, or longer, e.g. a building with no test switches or just one at the main incomer might need 10 or 15 minutes to be able to get around al areas.

If you are selling them or don't know any better, then a sink and a kettle is a 'kitchen' and needs a fire blanket even when no risk exists where it would be practical, As long as there is suitable provision of extinguishers safe on electrical equipment nearby you would be fine.

Yes it is. If you are using softwood (redwood or whitewood) for the door frame you can use the same materials for the packers / folding-wedges. But obviously, hardwood or hardwood plywood is more resistant to compression.