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The fire safety guidance says if you are going to fit a spy viewer it has to meet a certain standard to ensure it does not compromise the fire resistance of the fire door and that is why I say it is a security matter. It doesn't say, you need eye viewers and certainly not how many.
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Fire doors in a domestic 3 storey house
Neil Ashdown CertFDI replied to a topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
You can get advice and information about fire safety provisions for blocks of flats here https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/fire-safety-purpose-built-04b.pdf including fire doors. -
Check out https://envirograf.com/product/animal-door-flap/ and speak to envirograf they may be able to help. You will also have to speak to Lambeth council.
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Which country is this? I can't think of a UK Brigade advocating private houses put a 4 or 6kg Powder in?
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You also need to study Fire safety in purpose-built blocks of flats and having commercial spaces & a car park at the basement does complicate matters.
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If you need to ask such a question maybe your not the right person to conduct such a task and need the help of a qualified person. But if you want to understand more about the subject check out https://www.firesafe.org.uk in particular page https://www.firesafe.org.uk/fire-emergency-evacuation-plan-or-fire-procedure/.
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There are two gaps to consider when inspecting the top edge and vertical edges of a fire resisting door: 1) On the pull side there's the gap between the edges of the door leaf and the door frame. 2) On the push side there's the gap between the face of the door leaf and the edge of the door frame rebate stop. If the door leaf does not sit close to or on the stop, then it may be proud of the door frame on the pull side and this may be a cause of premature fire separation failure. Then there's the threshold gap too. If inspecting timber based fire doors, consult 'BS 8214:2016 Timber based fire door assemblies - Code of practice' for relevant information.
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In the local fire brigade i was told installing in private family homes a fire kit which consists of: -smoke alarms -fire blanket -powder extinguisher (if possible 4-6kg) I'm doubting powder because I was told in this forum the risk of inhalation of powder so its dismissed for commercial premises. And it is recomended for a home? Powder is for multiple fire risks such as homes? Are dry-water mist just too expensive? However dry powder is non toxic, isn't it? Thanks for help
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How often do we need to certify emergency lighting?
AnthonyB replied to a topic in Emergency Lighting
Technically no grace period, but realistically a few days either way doesn't matter, if it's within a month it shouldn't be the end of the world either. -
Electric switchroom - CO2 Garage - Foam Everywhere else - nothing. Government Guidance: It is not normally considered necessary to provide fire extinguishers or hose reels in the common parts of blocks of flats. Such equipment should only be used by those trained in its use. It is not considered appropriate or practicable for residents in a block of flats to receive such training. In addition, if a fire occurs in a flat, the provision of fire extinguishing appliances in the common parts might encourage the occupants of the flat to enter the common parts to obtain an appliance and return to their flat to fight the fire. Such a procedure is inappropriate
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I have changed the battery also Thanks Bill
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Hi guys, I have replaced my existing smoke detectors with 2 new hardwired ei141rc both green lights showing mains power one of the units has a rapid red light flashing I've tried switching both units with red light still flashing on the one situated in the hallway units brand new out of the boxes no need to vacuum any help or suggestions appreciated Thanks Bill
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Hi Neil, I'm the landlord 🙂 The freehold is owned by Lambeth council.
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Hi, indoors you should not use powder extinguishers at all due to risk of inhalation and obfuscation. However, don't go for 9ltr foam, as the weight is too high for elderly people handling the extinguisher. I would go for 6ltr water mist (with de-ionised water to ensure that the extinguisher can be used on electrical equipment). Not entirely sure what you mean with a counter room? Harry -
Hi, especially with having open flames it would be highly advisable to have extinguishers handy. Your insurance and any court would regard it as ill advised to have no extinguishers at all when you are using open flame! If you are concerned about staff capability you can book short extinguisher training courses. Harry
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For annual testing, is there 30 days grace as it's not always possible to get to a site on the same date ever year, or does it have to be done before the previous cert runs out?
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Whats needed to undertake to create a Fire Evacuation/Fire Safety Plan for a purpose built block of flat (with commercial spaces & a car park at the basement)
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I am getting conflicting information about fire extinguishers. Is this a legal requirement to have in a shop, we have between 3 up to may be 5 people in a shop. We sell candles and sometimes these are lit? We our staff are currently not trained on how to use a fire extinguisher so it is best to remove our current ones and that the best cause of action is to evacuate. There are concerns if the person using the extinguisher may have an accident therefore making the company liable. Any advise appreciated.
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This building was built in 2005, but they changed extinguishers as they expired, We have also an electric counter and a garage, despite this fire risks are not too high. I don't know if installing a 9 litre AFFF or a 6kg ABC powder on each level on the stairs and in the garage 6kg ABC and in the counter room 5kg co2. I'm also planning a wiring alarm system. There is also an emergency stairs. Is there anything special that I should install. Better 9l AFFF or 6kg ABC? As I say it's relatively new building so passive protection is not a problem. Thanks
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Spy holes are a security matter, not a fire safety matter unless you are talking about vision panels?
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I think this is an AOV control system and not a fire alarm and the use of sounders seem to be not necessary. I understand wall mounted detectors are acceptable under certain situations so check out BS 5839 and an AOV control box may be able to be situated in such a location. Check out https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/22/messages/AHy_aH9aGMEgXLWUFQGSWEp7xnU?.intl=uk&.lang=en-GB&.partner=none&.src=fp may be useful and Guidance on Smoke Control to Common Escape Routes in Apartment Buildings (Flats and Maisonettes).
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Does ventilation grille damage fire door?
Neil Ashdown CertFDI replied to a topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
Remove the grille cover and check inside to see if an intumescent air transfer grille has been fitted. Such intumescent grilles are often labelled on one edge with details of fire performance, which should be a test to BS 476 part 22 or BSEN 1634-1. The intumescent grille should be a tight fit in the aperture and depending on the construction of the door core the aperture may require a hardwood or intumescent liner. Example of an intumescent air transfer grille can be found here https://www.safelincs.co.uk/fire-rated-intumescent-air-transfer-grilles/?fGB=true&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImoKltsbW4QIVxbTtCh1uVQ4XEAYYASABEgITtPD_BwE -
I would advise you to consult Part M of the Building Regulations with regard to requirements for spy-viewers for wheelchair users. Fire performance tests have been conducted with more than one spy-viewer installed in one fire door leaf, but you should check with the company that manufactured the fire door before carrying out any installation work.
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Fire doors in a domestic 3 storey house
Neil Ashdown CertFDI replied to a topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
Hi MartinP, Does your son own the maisonette or does he rent from a housing association or other landlord?
