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  4. Guest
    Thank you.
  5. AnthonyB
    If you mean battery only (Grade F1) no. Grade F alarms are not acceptable as they only have one source of power. If you are a 4 storey s257 HMO (which isn't actually a HMO but flats not converted to Building Regs such as from a house) then guidance requires the common system to be Grade A (commercial type fire alarm) with the individual flat systems Grade D1 https://www.rla.org.uk/docs/LACORSFSguideApril62009.PDF
  6. AnthonyB
    It would be normal practice to protect the stair by underdrawing it to 30 minutes fire resistance using plasterboard or glass reinforced plasterboard of the required thickness (usually 12.5mm, the British Gypsum White Book gives suitable detail).
  7. AnthonyB
    How many floors? The full specifications can be found here: https://www.rla.org.uk/docs/LACORSFSguideApril62009.PDF
  8. Tom Sutton
    What do you mean by key access points ( break glass type)? Each self contained flat is exempt from The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 (RR(FS)O) but subject to the Housing Act only the common areas are subject to the RR(FS)O. So the tenant of the flat is responsible for the flat the common ares the management company. The smoke alarm in the flat is for the protection of the residents of the flat and should sound the alarm if the route to the front door is threatened. This usually means the best location is in the hallway of the flat meaning that all the rooms off the hallway is protected. I do not know the layout of your flat so I am unable to advise you. As far as I am aware the grade F is not recommended because of battery failure/missing but that is between the owner/tenant and the council who administers the House Act.
  9. Stephen-00A
    Tom. thanks for your reply Regards, Stephen.
  10. Guest
    Thanks again Are key access points ( break glass type) a legal requirement or again are they recommended? Do ld3 systems within flats form part of the communal area fire risk assessments. Is it flat owners own responsibility not management company From lacors Grade 😧 LD3 coverage in each flat (non-interlinked smoke alarm in the room/lobby opening onto the escape route) to protect the sleeping occupants Is it saying alarms only required in internal hallways to communal escape route not in bedroom lounge kitchen Would a f type wireless interlink system in all rooms provide better safety overall Grateful as ever for your knowledge and reply
  11. Tom Sutton
    For self contained flats in a converted premises, the guidance used for your premises is HOUSING – FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing which recommends Grade A LD2 in the common areas and a grade D LD3 in the flats, check out the guidance. The latest British Standard 5839-6: 2019 splits grade D in to two D1 and D2 but I would think either is acceptable.
  12. Mersey
    I am a member of the institute of fire safety managers but I certainly do not profess to know it all, far from it hence me signing up to this excellent website which I have just only found. I was after an opinion on a scenario that I came across while reviewing a Fire Risk Assessment in one of our Warehouses. It's quite difficult to describe the building without photos, but in essence there is a prefabricated upstairs office (Within the warehouse kind of like an inner room) which has a wooden stairwell which is its only access.As you go up the wooden stairs you hit a T junction where you can go left or right , the office is open planned and extends 10M in either direction. What I was uncomfortable with is that there is a storage room under the stairs where the maintenance man stores electric power tools , paints, little work bench., this room under the stairs does have automatic fire detection, so if something was to go on fire providing the alarm system works then people would evacuate the office space in time. Providing there is a good culture of fire safety and regular fire drills / maintenance of alarm systems etc..Is this acceptable place for storage and small works (providing no hotwork takes place), I'm no expert but the stairs give me the impression that if a fire started in that room (which is unlikely) those stairs would be ablaze within 5 minutes. My head says although it maybe acceptable due to the fire prevention / detection it doesn't seem good practice - I was considering asking them to move the storage and small workshop to another location.
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  15. Guest
    Hi, my Carbon Monoxide alarm keeps going off & it & my boiler have recently been checked by the council about 3 months ago, can my drier set the alarm off as it is in the utility room with the alarm, I have a window which I open to put the pipe outside,
  16. digga100
    AnthonyB, Thank you. I was wondering wht social landlords were left out. Thanks for clarifying.
  17. Guest
    Can someone please advise if new 10 yr sealed battery interlinked alarms are an acceptable alternative to mains ld3 for self contained flats.non HMO in 4 storey converted house. Tia
  18. Guest
    Hi,i did take on a lease which is hmo with 5 flats,they asked me to provide fire safety alarm,is that a grade of the alarm which needs to meet any requirments,or would work linked fire alarms,with wirlees manual call point and sounders.(no panel)? can you please help me With some guide
  19. Tom Sutton started following Loft party wall upgrades to make fire safe and Junction of compartment Wall with Roof
  20. Tom Sutton
    I would agree with you "deck of material of limited combustibility" would be the flat roof membrane supported on horizontal joists and would not apply and statement 4 is more applicable to to your situation. The roof trusses do not pass through the wall so I would think statement 3 does not apply.
  21. Tom Sutton
    Is this fire door being kept open by a magnetic device or similar because the general advice for hold open devices is it should be released during the night time because if it is held in the open position 24/7 the hinges could set and not work properly. You need to speak to the Responsible Person (RP) as defined by The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 they should be able to rectify the situation.
  22. Tom Sutton
    I have built many party walls and they were all 9 inch thick brickwork which went to the roof. If a fire resisting timber partition is acceptable I am not sure, but what I am sure of is it would need to be fire resisting from both sides. You would need to contact the appropriate contractor and if you are accepting your surveyors advice then it would be a joiner. If you use the internet there are sites that will advise you and recommend suitable contractor or advice from friends/family is a good way to go.
  23. Neil ashdown
    You don't have to be accredited to install, maintain or repair fire doors. But you do need to be competent. The main issue is that there is little in the way of standardization when in comes to installing the different makes/models/types of fire doors. Different makes and models of fire door may well have different requirements for intumescent seal sizes, hinge positions and lock case sizes for example. All fire doors should have technical data sheets or installation instructions and these must be followed in their entirety. If not then, the performance certification is void and the fire performance may be jeopardized. So if you are installing a new fire door leaf into an existing frame, you may for example find that the required hinge positions are incompatible with the existing frame.
  24. AnthonyB
    The legislation didn't cover social housing landlords as it wasn't considered necessary as they were deemed to be responsible and unlike the 'rogue' private sector not needing extra legislation. The Housing Act still applies and is enforced by the council via the housing health and safety rating system (HHSRS) - lack of suitable provision of smoke alarms would be a hazard enforceable under this system.
  25. digga100
    Thank you.
  26. Tom Sutton
    Not that I am aware of, the flat is a domestic property therefore except from The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 except the common areas and above other legislation is the only one that I am aware of.
  27. Guest
    Good afternoon. I am currently in the process of buying a house, and my surveyor has informed me that the loft party walls of the house we are looking to buy are timber (a money saving exercise by the builders 14 years ago) and although technically not breaching regulations, he wouldn't be happy recommending we leave them as is. He mentioned that we would need to get boarding on them to make them more fire resistant. After doing some research it looks as though this sort of boarding is only useful if both parties install it (as their timber side would just knock over our boarding if there were a fire). I also have no idea who to contact about looking at/doing this work, whether we need a party wall agreement, how much it would cost etc. Can anyone help with some advice - I don't know where to get started! Thanks in advance, Freyja
  28. digga100
    Thank you for that quick reply, Tom. I'm sorry I wasn't so quick coming back! The link you gave me was easy to read and sufficiently detailed. Until I got to section 18 - where it says " The regulations do not apply to social housing landlords." My landlord IS a social housing landlord so now I am not sure if there are ANY regulations for my landlord or if there is something different which applies to them. Sorry to be a nuisance. Thank you
  29. pyrolysis
    Thanks for confirming my initial thoughts Tom. I did go ahead with the recommendation.
  30. Guest

    fire doors closing at night

    Guest replied to a topic in Landlords

    Hello We live in three story building sheltered housing we on top floor one Neibour will not allow any other neighbors to close the automatic fire door meaning it’s held open 24 hours every day since they moved in last year . This worries other residents on our floor as we would all feel safer if door were at least closed in sleeping hours . on our floor residents have disabilities & aged meaning delay in response to fire . We believe it’s in best interest of all residents to have fire door closed at night .I have tried serval times to close the automatic fire door only to be verbally & threatened by this one neighbor who will not allow the doors to be closed at all .
  31. Stephen-00A started following Junction of compartment Wall with Roof
  32. Stephen-00A
    Hi i have been asked to detail the junction of a compartment wall with a roof in a residential care home. The compartment wall will be constructed of 215mm solid block work and the roof structure will be concrete tiles supported on timber battens and timber roof trusses. I have been looking at approved document B diagram 30 (a), but i am a little confused by their mention of "deck of material of limited combustibility". I would have assumed by the deck they were referring to a flat roof membrane supported on a deck of limited combustibility, typical slate or tile roof coverings do not have an underlying deck. If the gap between the underside of my tiles and the top of my wall is filled with a resilient fire stopping material (rockwool) and my tiling battens are cut over the centre of my compartment wall do i need to protect my trusses for 1.5 meters either side of the compartment wall. your thoughts and advice are much apprenticed regards, Stephen.
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