Guest Jonathan Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 Have just moved into a rented property that has an internal front fire door with intumescent strips. I am discussing with the landlord with a view to increasing top of door frame to allow standard single bed to fit due to the very sharp angle to get up flight of stairs. Door height at lowest point is 1950mm whereas the bed stands upright at 1990mm. The perhaps most contentious point is whether the fire door needs to be replaced entirely with new hinges to take up the new height or if a joiner can cut/add fire door to it and re-insert intumescent strips around new piece. Also I believe the existing door is not certified any more when first installed because it appears that a locksmith has drilled and not fully filled a hole above the lock, thus compromising fire door rating? Quote
Neil ashdown Posted Saturday at 07:47 Report Posted Saturday at 07:47 Unable to comment without seeing this door. Probably, you need a replacement fire door assembly / set. Or another way of getting the bed into the flat. Quote
Mike North Posted Saturday at 12:53 Report Posted Saturday at 12:53 Perhaps the most cost-effective solution might be to consider purchasing a new bed that can easily fit through the door. Quote
Guest Notable fire door Posted Saturday at 15:43 Report Posted Saturday at 15:43 7 hours ago, Neil ashdown said: Unable to comment without seeing this door. Probably, you need a replacement fire door assembly / set. Or another way of getting the bed into the flat. No other way of getting our expensive bed into the property. Had even tried to take it through the front door of neighbouring flat but the sharp angle doesn’t allow us to turn the bed to go up short flight of stairs. I have uploaded some photos if it helps? Quote
Guest Exploring all options Posted Saturday at 15:52 Report Posted Saturday at 15:52 2 hours ago, Mike North said: Perhaps the most cost-effective solution might be to consider purchasing a new bed that can easily fit through the door. This is a 2-bed property on 3-floors so a standard single bed should fit. The bed is relatively new and expensive hence looking at all options. Even the landlord is exploring options because the door will deter some tenants that seek a large property. I have had one joiner saying he could add to the door, move frame etc at a cost much less than the bed! I need to be certain what can be done. Quote
Neil ashdown Posted Monday at 08:54 Report Posted Monday at 08:54 If the door needs to a fire resisting and cold smoke restricting, self-closing door then the joiner ought to make sure their work ensures that the finished door complies with 'BS 8214: 2016 Timber-based Fire Door Assemblies - Code of Practice'. Quote
Mike North Posted Monday at 10:58 Report Posted Monday at 10:58 The door is not compliant with the current regulations, a Perko closer cannot be used on a fire door, it is incapable of overcoming the door latch. The doorbell cable does not appear to be fire stopped. It is doubtful that the handles are fitted correctly. The door does not look like a fire door, is it solid construction? Quote
Guest Door not compliant Posted Monday at 15:46 Report Posted Monday at 15:46 4 hours ago, Mike North said: The door is not compliant with the current regulations, a Perko closer cannot be used on a fire door, it is incapable of overcoming the door latch. The doorbell cable does not appear to be fire stopped. It is doubtful that the handles are fitted correctly. The door does not look like a fire door, is it solid construction? As a decorator / PM I’ve come across a few fire doors in my time. It’s a solid heavy door with intumescent strips all around. But I have seen far better fire door sets! Whether the door assembly / set is certifiable I am doubtful and this is a point I put to the Landlord because I am keeping in mind to share the cost but if the door is not compliant & should be, then there will be no contribution from me. I’m also informed by the agency’s joiner that the hinges are not fire-rated and the top hinge is not in the correct place. Quote
AnthonyB Posted Monday at 20:14 Report Posted Monday at 20:14 Take the door and frame out, skip them, move the bed in, fit a new certified FD30S doorset (frame, door & ironmongery all compatible and installed to manufacturers specification & test certificate), job done. Whilst not to current building regulations if a new build or new conversion, as an existing door set official guidance for the fire regulations (separate legislation) will tolerate 'notional doors' and 'upgraded notional doors' in certain circumstances and whilst the Perko single chains are known to have been a poor choice for decades aren't specifically excluded if still shutting a door flush (only rising butt hinges are) so the door may have been acceptable for existing purposes - but it doesn't look in the best of conditions and if having to complete building work to get the bed in it's time to modernise! Quote
Mike North Posted yesterday at 08:20 Report Posted yesterday at 08:20 Would ask for a copy of the latest fire risk assessment, as a tenant you have a right to request it. Quote
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