Mike North
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It would not generally be regarded as best practice to replace a BAFE-certified fire alarm contractor with a general electrician. However, provided the electrician is suitably qualified, experienced, and competent in the inspection, testing, maintenance and fault-finding of fire alarm systems, this could still be considered acceptable.
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If the property is a single dwelling in a two-storey house that has been converted into a three-storey house with a loft conversion, there is no requirement for a door closer, although the door may need to be fire-rated to protect the escape route.
In a dwelling, door closers are generally only required on the door between the house and an integral garage.
If the property is an HMO, a flat, or a commercial premises, self-closing fire doors will normally be required, and the closer should be a suitable fire-rated/certified device.
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Do you need fire rated doors? There are only specific cases where a final exit door needs to be fire rated.
1. Communal escape routes Flat entrance doors opening onto shared hallways or stairwells in multi‑occupancy buildings must be fire‑resisting.
2. Boundary proximity External doors in walls very close to a neighbouring property line may need a fire rating to prevent fire spread between buildings.
3. Commercial / high‑risk areas External doors forming part of a fire compartment line in commercial premises, industrial units, plant rooms, or bin stores may require FD30/FD60 protection.
4. Integral garages the internal door between a dwelling and an attached garage often needs to be fire‑rated, though standard external exit doors do no
If they are needed, do a google search for fire door installers near me, then you will need to do your due-diligence to select the installer, if not then any decent chippy can change the doors to swing in the opposite direction
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Your new FRA appears to be applying LACORS which is not intended for well separated purpose built or properly converted flats.
What does the FRA say about compartmentation of the building? If it is silent, then there is no issue and an alarm is not required
Go back to the assessor and ask
1. Which compartment has triggered the recommendation?
2. Which part of LACORS do they believe applies to a 3‑flat conversion with confirmed separation?
3. Why is BS 5839‑1 being referenced when no alarm is required under a stay‑put strategy?
4. What has changed since the 2015 FRA?
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Although certain manufacturers state in their instructions that no discharge test is required, BS 5306‑3:2017 sets the UK servicing standard. Table 2 (Enhanced Service – 5‑Year) explicitly lists water, water‑additive, foam, powder, wet chemical, and specific clean‑agent extinguishers as requiring a 5‑year discharge test involving discharge, internal inspection, and refill.
Under BAFE SP101, service providers must follow BS 5306‑3 unless the manufacturer provides a BS‑aligned alternative maintenance schedule. Industry bodies including FIA, IFEDA, and UKAS‑accredited companies all recognise the 5‑year discharge test as mandatory for water and powder extinguishers.
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Most likely, yes — a hole of that size in a separating wall is a fire‑risk. You should first confirm whether it was intentional, whether a service or duct has been removed, and whether it connects directly to another flat. You also need to check if any services still pass through it, because unsealed penetrations can seriously compromise compartmentation.
Even if the wall is solid brick, a 15×15‑inch opening can allow smoke to spread, and smoke spread is often more dangerous than flame. For that reason alone, it should be treated as a significant defect.
The wall needs to be properly repaired so that its fire‑resisting and smoke‑tight performance is restored.
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Given the age of the doors, lack of certification, and no historical FRA paperwork, I’d personally commission a full independent FRA. While the Responsible Person can assess nominal doors in‑house if they have demonstrable competence , the judgement involved here — thickness, gaps, glazing, ironmongery, smoke control, and the absence of test evidence — is exactly the kind of thing that could be challenged later . An external assessor gives you a defensible baseline and removes any doubt about competence under Article 18 .
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Having a single lodger is not an issue as the home would not be classified as an HMO.
You must
Check your smoke alarms: Test the alarms on every floor right away to confirm they work perfectly.
Inspect furniture labels: Look for fire safety labels on any mattress, bed base, or sofa you are providing in the lodger's room.
Brief your lodger: Show them the main exit routes, explain how to unlock the front door in an emergency, and point out where the door keys are kept.
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I can see the reasoning behind the advice; the hoist places a risk within the bathroom.
Are they happy with the door to the bathroom? Is it a fire door?
Smoke detectors should not be installed in bathrooms or within 900 mm of the door as the steam and humidity may cause false alarms or long-term damage to the internal electronics. I would look at heat detectors.
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Fire door risk assessments BS8214:2026
in Fire Risk Assessments
Just looking at a door can tell you a lot.
You can often establish whether a door is likely to provide fire resistance by considering:
Whether it carries a BWF-CERTIFIRE or other recognised certification mark.
The weight of the door. Is it light or substantial when operated?
The age of the door.
Whether it is a solid panel door or lightweight construction.
Whether the door remains appropriate for the:
escape strategy,
occupancy,
compartmentation,
building height,
vulnerability of occupants, and
other fire safety measures within the building.
Even where documentary evidence is unavailable, an inspector can still assess:
The overall condition of the door.
Door-to-frame gaps.
The quality of installation.
Ironmongery and associated hardware.
The effectiveness of self-closing devices.
Glazing and glazing systems.
Smoke and intumescent seals.
The absence of certification or test evidence does not automatically mean that a separate fire risk assessment is required for every door. The assessment should normally be based on groups of similar doors and the building as a whole, taking account of the level of risk presented, rather than undertaking an individual risk assessment for every single door.