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Neil Ashdown CertFDI

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  1. Fire rated solid brass Europrofile cylinders

    Hi Fadi, I would add that it is of course the 'lock-bolt or latch-bolt in its keep' that will help to hold the door closed in a fire situation. As far the fire performance tests are concerned the manufacturer will have test evidence for his products used in timber or metal doors. Please note that test results of components used in metal doors should not be used to substantiate performance for timber doors and vice versa. Timber fire door manufacturers' data sheets and instruction manuals will specify the requirements for locks and latches as well as providing installation requirements.These documents are generally available for FD30 and FD60 on-line. Regards, Neil.
  2. Fire Door Inspection

    It may be useful to add that the HSE at http://www.hse.gov.uk/involvement/competentperson.htm defines Competent Person as.....someone who has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities that allow them to assist you properly.
  3. Fire Door Inspection

    Hi Steve, There is a legal requirement under the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 for employers (and other Responsible Persons) to: (a)take such general fire precautions as will ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the safety of any of his employees; and (b)in relation to relevant persons who are not his employees, take such general fire precautions as may reasonably be required in the circumstances of the case to ensure that the premises are safe. Article 17 of The Order says they......must ensure that the premises and any facilities, equipment and devices provided in respect of the premises under this Order or, subject to paragraph (6), under any other enactment, including any enactment repealed or revoked by this Order, are subject to a suitable system of maintenance and are maintained in an efficient state, in efficient working order and in good repair and Article 18 of The Order says.....The responsible person must, subject to paragraphs (6) and (7), appoint one or more competent persons to assist him in undertaking the preventive and protective measures. Fire Doors and Escape doors are 'equipment and devices' and must be kept 'in an efficient state etc' (see above) therefore inspection must be part of the suitable maintenance regime. BS 9999 and BS 8214 recommend regular inspections of Fire Doors. You can find your nearest Certificated Fire Door Inspector at http://www.fdis.co.uk/inspector Alternatively you could enrol on a suitable course at http://www.fdis.co.uk/qualify-with-fdis or https://www.bre.co.uk/news/New-dates-announced-for-fire-door-inspection-training-935.html or https://www.door-check.co.uk/training or https://www.firedoorscomplete.com/fire-door-training My October blog at https://www.firedoorscomplete.com/single-post/2017/10/12/Fire-Door-Monthly-Fire-door-law-the-competent-person-and-relevant-training talks about competence and training.
  4. Fire resisting glass products have been available for many years but as with all fire and smoke compartmentation its about correct installation of the correct system so I would advise consulting a fire resistant glass expert. There's useful info on fire resisting glazing in the document 'A Guide to Best Practice in the Specification and Use of Fire-Resistant Glazed Systems' at http://www.ggf.org.uk/publication/FRGbest
  5. Fire doors in a domestic 3 storey house

    Hi Tony59, Being built in 2000 the doors should be fire doors. You reference "DALE 90623" so the doors are most likely made by Dale Joinery in which case I suggest you contact Ian Cavanagh CertFDI via the search facility (he's based at Rochdale but should be able to help over the phone) at www.fdis.co.uk/inspector for advice. Kind regards, Neil.
  6. Fireproof cat flaps

    Hi Melanie, Did the other companies say why they were unable to help? From what you have said above it appears that you are unable to source a cat flap that meets the relevant standard ( BS 476 part 31.1 or EN 1634-3) for smoke control. The other companies can supply letter plates that meet that standard but possibly for a cat flap, being different by the nature of its operation, it may not be possible. I cannot see that the product you have referenced above meets the above standards. With regard to sourcing and installing a fire door for your flat entrance I would advise you to contact the authority that has requested that you carry out this work. Then provide those details to the supplier / installer so that they may meet the authority's specification / requirements.
  7. Separate Cold Smoke Seal

    Hi Bristolboy, Whilst waiting for a reply you could try the various documents here http://www.ifsa.org.uk/documents/ for advice. Kind regards, Neil.
  8. Fireproof cat flaps

    If the product was suitable they would reference the relevant BS / EN number. How did you get on with the companies I mentioned, these companies specialise in fire and smoke separation products for doors?
  9. Separate Cold Smoke Seal

    The Intumescent Fire Seals Association website at www.ifsa.org.uk provides information about various compliant options to meet the requirements. It also discusses the drawbacks and advantages of different types of seal.
  10. Fireproof cat flaps

    Hi Melanie, "This Document addresses the need for sealing the threshold of a fire resistant door assembly, stating that if the gap at the threshold exceeds 3mm, then a threshold seal must be used." am I right in thinking that if the gaps are less than 3mm then legally that is ok?" If the threshold gap at the bottom of your flat entrance door does not exceed 3mm then you will not require a threshold seal. As far as the cat flap is concerned I would advise you to consult the manufacturers/suppliers previously advised with regard to evidence of fire and smoke performance before taking further action.
  11. You don't say if you are referring to new fire door installations or existing ones and this makes a difference because: 1) If you have had new fire doors installed the installer should be able to provide you with fire and smoke performance certification for the products used to make up the fire door assembly. The standards applying to fire and smoke performance for fire door components are BS 476 part 20/22, BS476 part 31.1 , BSEN1634-1 and BSEN1634-3 (the list here is not exhaustive). He should also be able to provide confirmation that the doors have been installed in accordance with the door manufacturers instructions and BS8214:2016. 2) If you mean existing doors then you must refer to Article 17 of the Fire Safety Order ( http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1541/article/17/made ) to ensure that fire safety devices (this includes fire doors and escape doors) are subject to a suitable system of maintenance and are maintained in an efficient state, in efficient working order and in good repair. With regard to your question about separate certificates or one certificate for all doors, this would depend on numerous factors, not least, on whether the fire doors are all the same product with identical components. My advice is to seek advice from a Certificated Fire Door Inspector at www.fdis.co.uk/inspector He or she is the Competent Person as referenced by the 2005 Fire safety Order. Hope this helps, Neil.
  12. Flat fire door for private entrance

    Hi Tim, From what you say it seems like the front door to your flat opens onto a common area that would be used, by other residents, in a fire to enable them to reach a place of safety. If this is so then your flat entrance door needs to be an FD30s fire door to resist spread of fire for thirty minutes and restrict the spread of cold smoke too. Hope this helps, Neil.
  13. Fireproof cat flaps

    Hi Melanie, I do sympathize and commend your approach in trying to find a solution. Fire door compliance is about using tested fire and smoke separation products, backed up by evidence of performance and installation of these products should be in accordance with the manufacturers instructions so as to ensure performance in real life. One area where smoke performance for a cat flap could be a problem is maintaining the seals against general wear and tear? My advice is to contact manufacturers of intumescent seals and smoke seals to discuss possible solutions. You could try: Mann McGowan http://www.mannmcgowan.co.uk/ , Lorient UK http://www.lorientuk.com/products/acoustic-seals-smoke-seals-and-fire-seals-for-door-assemblies and Envirograf https://envirograf.com/product/surface-mounted-intumescent-fire-firesmoke-seals/ Kind regards, Neil.
  14. Fireproof cat flaps

    Hi Melanie, You are clearly taking a responsible and sensible approach. Assuming everything else is OK with the fire door and that self-closing and fire and cold smoke separation is compliant the main area you could have a problem is the cat flap. You say its draught proof and 'so would prevent cold smoke' but if the authorities require it could you provide evidence of performance to 'BS 476 Part 31.1 smoke penetration through door-sets' ? I am being deliberately pessimistic here because the fire and cold smoke performance of flat entrance doors is critical to the safety of other inhabitants and the fire door should meet the cold smoke restriction requirements of the above standard. See Tom's comment from November last year (above). Might be worth asking your supplier if they supply an intumescent fire rated cat flap that has also been successfully tested for cold smoke spread though? If they don't supply one.............then why is that............... and (how) can they recommend one for a flat entrance door? Kind regards, Neil.