Ron

Hi Anthony B - thanks for your reply. I looked in the DCLG resi care guide but did not find much other than : Page 94: - Means of escape – security It is accepted that in many care home situations conflicts between the needs for means of escape and security may arise, particularly in premises which provide accommodation for people with mental illness, where it may be essential to maintain a high level of supervision during an evacuation. In areas where security is important a properly designed and managed interface between staffing levels, installed fire safety measures and security measures should be sufficient to permit staff controlled evacuation systems. Any solution proposed, that includes security controls on escape routes, must be discussed and agreed with the relevant enforcing authorities, care provider and other relevant bodies. However the DCLG GUIDE Healthcare Premises (does not apply to resi Homes) but P138 has a lot of useful info. Based on this the green over rides are not a must. Thanks

Hi Tom Thanks for your prompt reply and logical thought process.

Hi All In a residential care home with electro magnetic locks can you advise on the following. The home has areas with people who have mental health issues. As such these wings are secure and staff and visitors enter via key pads - entering the numbers. The locks fail to the open on power failure and on operation of the fire alarm system. To escape staff can aid residents out. I have noticed some homes also have green break glass overrides adjacent to the door as well. Are these additional overrides really necessary? Thanks

Hi All Please provide a view on the safety measures when a large residential home provides bathrooms with electric powered chairs for hoisting persons in and out the bath. They are a permanent fixture. Do you consider that in view of the introduced risk a SC Fire door should be fitted along with heat detection linked in to the main system. 5 yearly elec tests are conducted on fixed installations but acrylic bath do burn well and give off lots of smoke. Thanks