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Guest Panos

Hi
I live in a private flat along with about 20 other flats. I'm owner of the flat. The flats were built in 1980s and all have their original front doors leading into a communal hallway. The property management company have written to all residents and informed them that they must replace their existing front doors with FD 30 standard front doors at the owners expense. Are they allowed to mandate the fitment of FD 30 doors in an existing building? My door met the BS when it was constructed but that doesn't mean that I have to change the door in an existing property every time that the regulations change, am I correct?
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No it doesn't and leaseholders have overturned this at Tribunal in the past (especially where the doors were only visually inspected from one side and an arbitrary judgement made). Being 80's there is a fair chance these are already FD30S doors that might only need minor changes (e.g. if they use concealed chain closers they need changing to EN1154 overhead closers). The guidance they should be following is here: 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-in-purpose-built-blocks-of-flats

 

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Guest front door fire doors

Hi, any advice would be appreciated,

My landlord is a Housing association , we live in a low rise block , 3 floors including ground , 2 flats per floor, front doors of flats facing each other,  a single stairwell for the block,  we currently have front doors that were fitted sometime in the late 90s however they do not appear to have a kite mark, our landlord is in the process of fitting new fire doors, the appearance of the proposed door is awful, we also feel the design of the door is inappropriate for our homes and believe the door will make our homes vulnerable , the area we live in is not great, the doors are PAS 24 2016 compliant, it is our understanding that this level only provides basic level of security from attack, the proposed doors have  P1A glass and a thumb turn lock the doors to our homes are secluded so we do not believe the doors to be appropriate,

We have asked for the doors to be changed to a solid door as the doors have yet to be made, our landlord has refused ,having looked online the information regarding the law is at times confusing it seems a lot of the fire regs are aimed at HMOs were not sure if legally our landlord has to change the doors ? and if there is a higher level of security than PAS 24 2016 ? and as tenants if our current doors are compliant with current fire regs would we need to have them changed ?  any advice/information would be appreciated , thank you

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They are unlikely to require replacement based on age of install, third party certification & the related marking of fire doors isn't mandatory however many organisations are insisting on replacement in any case because they can't prove the history of the door (despite lack of self closers being the bigger fire door issue in Grenfell which kicked off all the current mania on doors).

You can get several different visual styles of fire door so as to suit aesthetics of different locations (& also of different security grades) however it sounds like the HA is going for the simplest, plainest and cheapest doorsets it can get away with!

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The decorative surrounds to doors, architraves, are acceptable. It is only timber panels or other combustible materials over 1/32 inch in thickness applied to walls/ ceilings that is not acceptable in a common areas (protected route). As for fire doors, a well fitting 44mm solid core doors ( with 25mm x 44mm screwed and glued stops ) fire door approved in the past will generally outperform and last some of the newer doors that have come onto the market in latter years.  Often old decorative panelled entrance doors were upgraded with fire rated infill  on the internal (flat) side. The risk is, if the upgrade was conducted between the 1950's and the late 1970's it will be a an asbestos containing material.  I known GLC and others tested this upgrade arrangement for listed doors and they passed the fire tests applicable at the time.  

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