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Fire doors in a domestic 3 storey house

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Guest Vicky

We have bought a maisonette, the top two floors of a 3 storey house, the 3rd floor is a loft conversion. We’re getting the doors replaced and the bedroom, kitchen and living room doors were previously fire doors. We have taken the kitchen and living room doors off all together as there is not enough space for them when open. Firstly, do I need doors on these two rooms? Secondly, do the doors that I replace them with, need to be fire doors?

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I would think your proposals are a material alteration under the build regulations and therefore attract the need for building regulation approval. Consequently I would contact the local build control and obtain their advice.

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Guest Anne

Hello

I have just bought a 3 story victorian house. The downstairs is open plan and has been since the 70’s I would say. Am I under any legal obligation to install fire doors as the previous owners lived in the house for decades as it is. I bought it because I like the open plan design.

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Anne

 

 

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I think when the previous owner carry out the alterations it would have been subject to the building regulations (BR) and when completed documentation would have been issued to indicate it was completed in accordance with the BR. If you do not have this documentation you could be living in dangerous conditions and I would employ the services of a professional to advise you if alterations are necessary.

I do not think you are legally required to carry out and alterations but you do need advice from the local building control.

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Guest Russ

Hi we have a 3 story house I understand that the doors adjoining the staircase on each floor must be a fire door (44mm thick) and also have fire strips in the door frames.

 

would the doors need to be self closing or not? 
 

Russ

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No, whilst this used to be a requirement in the past currently the only door commonly needed to be self closing is one between garage and house if attached.

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Guest Guest Gina

We have a 3 storey townhouse built 2012 with self-closing fire doors. My toddler kept catching his fingers so we disconnected the mechanisms on most doors. Would this still meet regulations or a fire related insurance claim? If we replace the doors, can we just replace with fire doors but no self closing? Many Thanks

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Guest Gina

Sorry meant to say i’m in Scotland, incase this makes a difference? Thanks

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It does make a difference Scotland has its own building regulations and I am only familiar with the English and Welsh  version. A dwelling house in England do not require self closer on any doors except a fire door between the house and an integral garage, you need somebody who is familiar with the Scottish regulations to help you. 

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Scottish building regulation technical handbook (domestic) can be found here https://www2.gov.scot/Resource/0052/00521748.pdf

2.1 Compartmentation - on page 63 and 2.9.2 Escape within dwellings - on page 86, would appear most relevant.  In accordance with Tom, my advice is to consult a local building regulations professional to assist in correct interpretation and that reference is made to the current requirements.

An overview of Scottish requirements in terms of fire safety in buildings may be found here https://sp-bpr-en-prod-cdnep.azureedge.net/published/2017/11/3/Scottish-Building-Standards-and-Fire-Safety--A-Brief-Overview/SB 17-73.pdf

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Guest Jim

Hi, we've got a 3 storey house built in 2011. We've got all the correct fire doors etc but I want to change the lock for the front door. It's currently a thumb turn but my son is able to unlock it and I worry that he'd open it without us knowing.

Would I be able to change this for a traditional double lock? I vaguely remember something in the documentation when we bought the house mentioning we need a thumb turn lock due to it being 3 storey but I can't be sure. Any help would be appreciated. 

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Clearly, keyless egress is a useful life protection measure in an emergency scenario.  If you need to open the door in an emergency and the key is not to hand that could increase the risk to life safety.

However, my understanding is that in England & Wales, the Fire Safety Order 2005 does not apply inside your own private home.  Check at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1541/contents/made and you could check Building Regs at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-approved-document-b

Or you could retain the keyless egress but use a security chain to help restrict the door being opened, when it shouldn't.  

 

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