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Can a fire exit be used as daily entry point?

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There needs to be a legal easement, deed of variation or similar allowing them access and any necessary conditions (e.g. emergency use only).  You would usually find it in the premises legal pack along with the freehold/leasehold agreement.

If there is no written agreement you are entitled to secure your premises, but you should consult a specialist in property law as if they've enjoyed use of the route without being told they can't for a long historical period they can try and get the access formalised in court (Or so I've read in case law,but it's not my speciality). You could also grant them a formal easement in return for a reasonable admin fee,rent, etc.

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Guest ProblemFireExit

 I am having to use a fire exit as a normal door, sometimes late at night, but I’m having awful trouble closing it again. It bounces open slightly before I can pull the bar up, and other people seem to have to slam it.   What can I do? Get a door closer?  Perform some sort of maintenance? I’d rather simple fix that doesn’t require the fitting of new equipment. I doubt I could get the property managers to fit a closer. 

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Fitting a door closer would not help and be counterproductive it  appears the door needs to be maintained I am sure a good joiner could resolve the problem. 

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Guest Roger

If you have more than 2 fire exits and you need to block one temporarily for less then an hour. Can you brief your team of the exit not operational and block it while you resolve an issue? Or do you need to evacuate everyone while you isolate the door. 

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Guest fire exit doors

HI, can someone tell me if it is ok to use fire exit door to let suppliers in and out.   We were made to use this at the weekend to carry our casino tables down, the stairs were really dangerous but the hotel manager would not let us go out any other way.

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Of course. All doors that can be used by occupants to escape outside from a fire are fire exit doors but those not in normal use, have appropriate signs showing that the door can be used to escape from a fire and are fitted with securing devices that can be easily opened during the time the premises are occupied.

Consequently  all doors can be used for either escaping from a fire or normal ingress or exit depending on the door furniture.

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Guest Graham

I have two questions please

1.  In a small beauty salon, which has a maximum of 12 people a day in it, both exit doors open inwards, is that acceptable?

 

2. The place is single storey and has a treatment room at the end of a corridor, approximately 20 feet from the exit, does that need emergency lighting?

 

Thank you!

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1. With less than sixty persons requiring means of escape, it is acceptable for fire exit doors to open inwards.

2. When the normal electric lighting switch off, how much borrowed light is there when the light outside is at its lowest, during the time the premises is occupied, is there sufficient borrowed light to find your way from the treatment room/corridor and safely escape to the fire exit doors, if there is then EL is not required.

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Guest Mickey b

Hi,

I was reading all the issue and mine is not there I work in a club which has various fire doors. I am in  wheelchair the building is old and does not need to comply however the comitte have said there is a room quite big  that they are going to put in a disabled room which is nice, the issue i have is i cannot come in the front entrance 3 sets of 3 stairs hoever there is a Fire escape at the rear the door is kept open half the time then a debate starts and it gets shut  the boss says to me just phone when you are at the back door by mobile and i will come back and open the door for you which is nice to either i forget to bring my phone home it has no signal or my favorite i forget to charge it, I have told them they need to check if the back door fire escape which I can use just now that it is legal to make that as a disabled entrance along with the fire door dual purpose  that would solve the problem. Given what was said not sure if I would need a new door as not sure what size the fire and a disabled door would be. I also thought they would need a intercom but again lost as it was talking about similar but you could get a bolt but i guess that would be a special bolt to realse in the case of the fire alarm but thing just manually would be cheeper. It is a charity and money is scarce and every penny justifed. I am also not sure if we need planning permission to do this but i had said no use putting in a disabled entrence if you can't get access via  the fire escape first. Everybody seems to have a oppinion so I am not sure what is right and my boss is just trying to help me. Any infor would be nice. I stary in Scotland and not sure if the rules and regulations are the same. Sorry for the big story but would  welcome your advice and knowlege.

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Scotland has its own fire safety legislation, building regulations and guides; despite that complication, you are asking for a fire risk assessment to deal with disabled persons and that would be impossible to conduct without a physical inspection or at least detailed plans showing escape route travel distances also any fire resistant construction. I would suggest you speak to the fire risk assessor that completed your initial FRA and ask him/her their opinions on your proposals.

You also need to understand the terminology check out  https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/Justice/policies/police-fire-rescue/fire/FireLaw and http://www.firesafetyfirst.co.uk/publications/Scotland - The Evacuation of Disabled Persons from Buildings.pdf

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Guest JAY

Hi,

Im purchasing a pub where the entrance is on the side of the building. You have to go though a lobby to get to the pub.

The front of the pub has a fire exit and at the end of the room is a exit for wheel chair access with a ramp.

Ideally i would like the mane an entrance at the front of the building. Would it be possible for me to convert the fire exit to an entrance and change the disabled entry exit to a fire exit? 

The current fire exit does not have a step and is one one level so a wheel chair can easily go in and out with out assistance.

Appreciate any advice.

Many thanks

Jay

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ALL exits from the building are fire exits and if in constant use do not need to be indicated with fire exit signs, those that are infrequently used should have a fire exit signs to indicate this is a route to ultimate safety. The means of securing the final exit doors will depend on the occupancy and the numbers likely to use them.  Which door you use as the main entrance is irrelevant and you should produce a drawing of your proposals to submit the Building Control, also to allow a Fire Risk Assessor to check out the means of escape.

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Guest Cjs

Hi I live in block of flats and they have just changed all are communal doors , we have 3 exits on ground 2 entry doors each side with fobs to enter. Then one door at back of block that they now have push bar to exit so we no longer have key to enter it it's been made for exit only with push bar,  I was wondering if it should be used as daily exit by people due to it having push bar I thought doors with push bar should only be used in emergency  

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Guest Guest

Hi,

Quick question that hopefully can be cleared up here!

I live in a flat in a converted factory, where the ‘main’ door is quite a way away whereas the fire escape (into a gated fob-access courtyard) is right next to my flat door. The management company keeps saying they’ll instruct landlords to evict anyone who leaves via the fire escape: what’s the legality of that? I feel like it’s not really enforceable but wanted to check. Let me know if you need any more info to clarify.

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This will depend on your tenant's agreement or other contacts you have signed so it is not a fire safety matter but a legal one and you should seek advice from a property lawyer.

What is important that it is made clear that this would not apply in an emergency situation. 

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