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Hi, I am building an extension to my two storey semi detached house. My building control inspector has confirmed I need a fire door for what will be the side rear door of the house due to it being within 1 meter of the boundary with a neighbour. ive looked endlessly for a composite fire door that meets the latest regulations post Grenfell Tower but no one seems to offer them any more. Every firm I’ve rung says they do not offer fire doors or that they can only be fitted as an internal door set. It looks like my only option is one of those plain plywood fire doors which I don’t really like the look for a residential property nor think are secure enough. Does anyone know what’s going on within the industry? Have they withdrawn products pending further changes to regulations or need to develop completely new doors? If anyone does know if any firms that offer composite fire doors would you be able to share the company name as I’m really stuck for options, thanks
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many thanks for clarifying
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I'm working on a FRA in a 10 year old apartment block, various blocks maximum 6 floors high. Fire door upgrades, mostly reducing gaps on fd30 doors (120 number) when the door gaps cannot be achieved by fitting hinge packers we sometimes remove the mdf 18mm x 70mm architrave s to wedge the frame into position. We then seal the gap between the frame and the structure with intumisent mastic and fire batt if the gap is above 15mm. Should we be removing the opposite side architrave s and sealing from that side also. Then knowing that all of these frames has no fire stopping between the frames and structure, should we not be sealing every frame
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Very helpful, Thank You. One more thing, when adjusting doors to achieve the 3mm gap on an fd30 door, 10 years old, that has no intumisent hinge packers should we be removing the door and the 3 hinges, removing extra material from the frame and door recesses to allow for the thickness of the hinge packers, refix the hinges to the door, Then rehang the door . Or can we put an odd hinge packer behind hinges on frame side to adjust the door. Thanks
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No, it's an urban myth. The only reason why you might go for a 5kg for an electrical risk is if the size of the enclosure is such you need the larger volume of gas to flood it adequately.
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No, and if it was meant to be a smoke or fire detector it looks too flush to work. I've asked on a specialist forum & will get back to you if I find out more.
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Hi Folks This photo is from a ceiling of a twenty year old home can't quite make out what kind of sensor it is, has anyone come across this before? Many thanks
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Approx 1.5m wide. There are two fire doors at either end with glazing along the link corridor.
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No requirement at all, it's very odd that some chains are putting it in.
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If it is just general needs purpose built flats then there never has been (& still isn't) a need for a common fire detection system, despite people throwing these systems in willy nilly. If it is genuinely fit for stay put it would only need detection (no alarms) in the common parts if there was an automatic smoke control system fitted. Usually sounders and call points would be withdrawn leaving just the detection linked to the smoke control - if there is no smoke control the whole system is superfluous (& a service charge drain)and can go.0 HOWEVER - a full system as described along with a simultaneous evacuation policy (no stay put) is appropriate if: -The premises do not have adequate fire compartmentation and it is not realistic to provide it (often for very old flats pre 1960's), or -There is an unsuitable external cladding system in place and the system is a temporary measure until it is replaced. Whilst it does seem unnecessary I'd need to be at the site to be 100% (but I'm 99.9%)
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How wide is it? There could be issues with fire spread between buildings and the ability to navigate the external exit route.
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Hi, I vaguely remember seeing a recommendation that the 5kg variant instead of the 2kg C02 should be installed where there is 400V+ present; is this correct as I can not find reference to this now? Thanks
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Would a linked passage way between two properties which has glazing, need to be fire rated? The passage link windows/glazing is to the open. So I can’t see why it need to be? thanks
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Hi, I want to sell cushions for children over 3yrs. The cushion inner comply with all standards and fire regulations. Now what do I have to apply to the handmade cushion cover?
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Hello all. A 5 storey purpose built block of flats has a communal alarm system, it also has detection in each flat all linked in to the alarm system. The residents have been advised and the fire action notice says it is a stay put policy unless it’s your flat on fire. Is this contradictory? Is the best solution to either change the policy to evac or remove linked detectors from flats and have independent ones. There is only one stairwell which would easily clog up with people in an incident. Any advice gratefully received. Many thanks.
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Without a detailed inspection or plans it is impossible to advise you, will be up to the Fire Risk Assessor for the guest house to decide what is necessary and the RP to implement it.
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Cannot see any reason why not I would need more information to be certain.
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I have spent a sleepless night in a hotel bedroom with a bright illuminated emergency light , surely there is no reason or law to say it should be in a bedroom with a large window to the front ??
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If an intumescent strip is missing from the edge of the door leaf or from the head or jamb of the door frame, it should be replaced with the correct sized strip and of the same type as the other strips fitted. The reason that intumescent strips are not fitted to both door leaf and frame, is that the intumescent strip is designed to expand to form a seal against a solid surface rather than against an opposing intumescent strip. It is not uncommon to find intumescent strips fitted to both door and frame opposing each other and this has usually been done in ignorance of the fire door installation requirements. Some people often say that having strips fitted in this way could cause the doors to open in a fire situation due to the expanding pressure from both seals and therefore the door would fail to provide the required fire separation performance. However, there are some double leaf fire doors with edge protectors that have been tested with opposing strips to the meeting edges of both door leaves. Clearly, a fire door fitted with intumescent strips in a manner contrary to the door manufacturer's installation requirements could behave in an unpredictable way in a fire situation, that's why the fire door industry trade associations go to such lengths to promote correct and compliant fire door installation. More on this at https://www.ifsa.org.uk/
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Then there are options open to you, your fire risk assessment would need to justify this but it's not impossible.
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https://www.riscauthority.co.uk/free-document-library/RISCAuthority-Library_detail.rc16b-recommendations-for-fire-safety-in-commercial-kitchens.html Aimed at the insurance/property protection side of things not life safety so goes beyond what is in Building Regulations and similar guidance which are only life safety oriented. It, not unsurprisingly, prefers enclosure but does reference mitigation measures for kitchens that aren't enclosed (mainly supression)
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Good afternoon all, with regards to intumescent strips, I know they can be installed within the door frame or the door, but is it acceptable to have them in both, on the same door set, as I assume both will expand when subjected to heat. also what if the strip was missing from either the door or the frame, would it then be acceptable just to fit a strip where it is missing or would the door set require replacing. Many thanks.
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Gap between door lining and wall
Neil ashdown replied to Rougeone's topic in Fire Doors and Accessories
The 50mm gap is too large for a timber-based fire door assembly. Consult 'BS 8214:2016 Timber-based fire door assemblies - Code of practice' for details about maximum gap sizes and suitable fire stopping materials. -
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We do have extensive smoke detection on the premises.
