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  3. I am secretary of a residential management company of a mill building converted to flats in the late 1980s. There are 7 flats 3 of which have entrances directly outside, the other 4 open out onto short corridors 10m long (2 flats on each of 2 levels). I understand the need for a fire risk assessment of these corridors but wanted confirmation that 10m is a short enough distance not to require an additional route out of the floor (to be fair there is no cost effective option for us). Each corridor is open at the entry end and open on one side and non combustible.
  4. That's what I thought. I also think that unless there is a lot of extinguishers to be serviced, the cost of your own insurance will be more than your friends will pay to have theirs serviced. Sometimes in life you have to walk away from a job, I think this is one of those times.
  5. What category of fire alarm is installed, are they individual smoke and heat detectors or is it a full system with a control panel. If it is a category D system with individual detectors then it is just a case of disconnecting the detector from its mounting ring and replace with the new detector. If it is a category A to C with a control panel, then you will need the services of a fire alarm company.
  6. Approved Document B (fire Safety) vol 2 Premises other than Dwelling Houses.
  7. The first thing is, does the premises require two fire exits? I am assuming the front area is the shop and the back area is the storeroom, what is the travel distance from anywhere in the shop to the front door, if it is less than 18 metres then the rear fire exit is not required for the shop. However if somebody is working in the storeroom and when the intermediate door is opened they cannot get to the front door, because of fire, they can use the rear door. (This a inner room situation.) All doors required for means of escape in fire should be easily opened without need of a key, so when the front door it is first opened it should remain open, just keep the closed sign in place. The thumb turn on the rim lock of the back door is acceptable providing the two dead locks are open. Has the premises conducted a Fire Risk Assessment, which is necessary in accordance with The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. Check out
  8. Who pays the cost is a legal matter not a fire safety matter and I think it would depend on the tenants agreement, you need solicitors advice.
  9. It covers me for my place of work i.e the site I'm on, I doubt it covers me for my own work outside for my own benefit, I'm going to look into the insurance and public liability side of it to see where I stand on it though.
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  11. If only one exit, regardless of width, then you are restricted to 60 persons. This is your guidance "At least two exits should be provided if a room/area is to be occupied by more than 60 persons."
  12. Fire risk assessments As the responsible person you must carry out and regularly review a fire risk assessment of the premises. This will identify what you need to do to prevent fire and keep people safe. You must keep a written record of your fire risk assessment if your business has 5 or more people. Carrying out the assessment Identify the fire hazards. Identify people at risk. Evaluate, remove or reduce the risks. Record your findings, prepare an emergency plan and provide training. Review and update the fire risk assessment regularly. The fire safety risk assessment chart gives more detailed information about these steps. You’ll need to consider: emergency routes and exits fire detection and warning systems fire fighting equipment the removal or safe storage of dangerous substances an emergency fire evacuation plan the needs of vulnerable people, for example the elderly, young children or those with disabilities providing information to employees and other people on the premises staff fire safety training Help with the assessment You can do the fire risk assessment yourself with the help of standard fire safety risk assessment guides. If you don’t have the expertise or time to do the fire risk assessment yourself you need to appoint a ‘competent person’ to help, for example a professional risk assessor. Your local fire and rescue authority might be able to give you advice if you’re not sure your risk assessment’s been carried out properly. However, they can’t carry out risk assessments for you. Assessment guides You can download the following guides on risk assessments in: offices and shops factories and warehouses sleeping accommodation residential care premises educational premises small and medium places of assembly (holding 300 people or less) large places of assembly (holding more than 300 people) theatres, cinemas and similar premises open air events and venues healthcare premises animal premises and stables transport premises and facilities You can also find guidance on: risk assessments if you work in construction purpose-built blocks of flats and other types of housing if you’re a landlord
  13. My daughter has started work in a small shop which has a front and back exit and are both identified as fire exits, as they have emergency exit signs, the front door has a single key operated lock on both sides of the door, when the store is first opened the front door is locked behind them, the key is not left in the lock and not all members of staff have a key. The rear door has 2 mortise dead locks a bolt and rim latch lock the dead locks and bolt are unlocked as soon as the store is opened, Where I have a concern and I can't see to find the answer is that there is a fire door between the front exit and rear exit, this door has a mechanical code lock, my concern is that if a fire started in the front of the shop and the only safe exit was through the rear door, in a panic she may not be able to remember the number or if the room was filling with smoke she couldn't see the numbers. I would be interested to hear your views with regards to the lock on the front door along with the code lock on the internal door. Kind regards, Carl
  14. Hello Can help me with a question? I'm hoping to sign a lease on a property in London which I wish to open as a small theatre - the space is in the basement and accessed by a single staircase 1055mm wide. Assuming we have the usual signage and extinguishers in place - how many people people am I allowed in the basement? Are there guidelines nationally for these this or do they differ from local council to council? Many thanks, Dominic
  15. Hi, I own a licensed HMO and our fire and heat detectors are coming up to 10 years since installation and will need replacing. I am aware that hard wired detectors need to be installed by a competent person, but is this necessary to replace the units? The replacements would just be a like for like switch over which would use the same wiring circuits that currently exist. The units are regularly tested as per regulations. Kind regards, Hayley
  16. Could you please tell me how often a fire risk assessment needs to be done to be law abiding Can we carry out the assessment ourselves or should it be done by a qualified person I write from a thirteen bedroom hotel
  17. Just wondering. If your insurance etc is paid for by the MOD, will it be no longer valid if you are "working for some one who is NOT the MOD"
  18. Thank you, a fire escape ladder could be indeed a good solution albeit the drop from the flat below to the ground is quite a long way.
  19. Thankyou both for the advice, I just wanted to make sure everything was in place before I did venture outside my workplace, as I work on the MOD and have been servicing fire extinguishers in house for the previous 3 years everything I needed i.e insurance and liability I have already been covered for, the main reason for asking is a couple of friend's of mine locally have opened up small businesses and asked if I could check and service extinguishers and I didn't want to go there not 100% legit for them and myself. Thanks again for both you advice very much appreciated.
  20. First you need a refresher course, then liability & efficacy insurance, a full set of tools, consumables, service labels, etc, initial stock and an account with as trade supplier (expect to pay up front at first unless you've got decent credit references). Some contracts will require you to be third party certified, most won't. Membership of one of the trade associations can be of help. I'd do some course to up-skill to offer other fire safety services as well, if you aren't going to be one of the many cowboys you will struggle to make a lot of money just doing extinguishers these days.
  21. My son has just brought a flat above a coffee shop. He is having works done which require them to be signed off by building regs, which we are happy with. However, we have lifted the floor boards to find that all we can see is the shops flasterboard ceiling below and the tops of spot lights that have been installed by the current shop tenants. We are now being told we cannot get our flat works signed off because their is no fire prevention between us and the shop. Who is responsible for the cost and putting the fire protection in - us, the shop tennant or the freeholder/shop landlord.
  22. Thank you very much for the quick turn around I will approach Building Control and hope for the best. side question: what is ADB? (sorry I am new on the subject as I said)
  23. Hi If your certificate is still valid and you have the appropriate tools, spares and information to perform the servicing, as well as insurance (in case anything goes awry), then there should be no reason that you cannot service extinguishers. It is worth checking your certificate for an expiry date as I believe you will soon be due for a refresher and re-certification (if not already). You would need some service labels for the extinguishers and service sheets to fill out and give to the customer after the job is done. And if you are doing this as a paid job you will need to be registered for TAX, etc. Hope this helps.
  24. I know double glazed units are difficult to break but there is a device called "Lifeaxe Emergency Hammer for Double-Glazing" which claims to solve the problem. My concern is the means of escape scheme which I believe would not be accepted today in accordance with Approved Document B (fire Safety) vol 2 Premises other than Dwelling Houses. What you are proposing could be considered a material alteration, because you are making the MoE worse and this would involve building control regulations which would involve ADB. You need to speak to the local Building Control for their advice.
  25. Hi everyone just looking for some advice on servicing extinguishers outside of my workplace.I done the course around 3 years ago passed and have been certificated. What would I need in place if I was to service a extinguisher for a small business? Would I be covered with my certificate and a check sheet which I'll provide to business post service? Any help would be appreciated thank you.
  26. The fire alarm and emergency lighting maintenance is not a fire risk assessment it is a requirement of The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 article 17. FRA is a requirement of article 9 and the frequency is of debate, the order simple says "Any such assessment must be reviewed by the responsible person regularly" this statement is discussed regularly the latest I know of you will find at but many consider once a year is considered regularly. To understand the frequency of testing/servicing of fire alarms and emergency lighting check out and
  27. Hi everyone new here... I have found the forum looking for a solution to my issue, I hope someone here can help. I am renovating my own house: ex-council block with maisonette dwellings on two floors. Entrance and living area on the top floor, bedrooms downstairs. The secondary escape route from downstairs is through a glass door to a shared balcony and entering the neighbour's house through his glass door, eventually breaking the glass: there is a sign on the outside of both doors saying "fire exit: break the glass in case of fire" Being an old building all windows as well as those doors are single glazed. I am in the process to install double glazing to all windows. My question is: can I install double glazing to this fire escape door? Would that be allowed to break through a DGU? Thank you in advance
  28. Bases only have connections and wires, they do not have any sounder at all, so it can not be the base in question. Have you looked on top of any cupboards nearby or any drawers / boxes nearby? I have heard of old devices still un opened in their packets found and the battery runs low after years. Also there may be one in the loft, be it one that is supposed to be there, or one that got put in a box for later......
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